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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2301 - 2013-10-29 01:13:35 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
I dotn get why so much whining for 100mb.

Its not like you can only be useful on drones.

In fact all this winnign just supports that the ship was goign to be minmaxed ona single profile, somethign that is bad.

I for once, liked a LOT the changes. IN fact I feel it is more powerful NOW than it was before.


Stop underestiamting lasers!



there were three groups.

the largest and most happy were the regular pve guys... the ones doing annoms and basic stuff in 0.0

the smallest and loudest were the hot drop guys who said all they were going to do is hot drop people al over new eden

and them medium were the guys who actually enjoy the new hacking mini game.

so instead of just reducing the lazor damage (the real reason the ship was over the top) ccp rise decided to reduce the dps for the majority of the people who were going to use the ship... that is the regular pve player who had no intention of ever using a lazor on the ship... and they nerfed the dps by 20%....

that is why people are upset...

ccp could have kept everyone happy if they had just reduced the lazor dps by reducing turret hard points and kept the drones at 125mb...

they still can...

it just takes rise to come to the same conclusion.


Nope. Youa re wrong. The 5 sentry drones were the thign that was goign to be abused (With 3 drone damage mods) and woudl become too pwoerful on PVP for a ship with cloak


Even if you removed ALL guns, it woudl still be TOO powerful on PVP with 125m bandwidth and a covert ops cloak.

4 heavy pulse w/ scorch 4 garde II + 3 DDAs 730 DPS
5 garde II + 3 DDAs 750 DPS
That is not way to powerful.

When you use 4 heavy pulse lasers w/ conflagration and 4 ogre II + 3 DDAs 820 DPS
5 ogre II + 3 DDAs 793 DPS
Lasers and close range crystals with ogres do more damage than 5 ogres.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2302 - 2013-10-29 03:04:46 UTC
Please change the Stratios back to its original form; this is like the bastion module, where the first one was great, but the second idea was really not as well-done. Please listen to the voices in this thread, CCP Rise! I want the Stratios to be as cool as it was meant to be! Big smile

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Malcolm Malicious
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#2303 - 2013-10-29 04:26:11 UTC
Can we please have the SoE ships seeded into SiSi market for testing now? It's funny how they've already nerfed it before people could actually fly it.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2304 - 2013-10-29 04:30:50 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
It's actually four guns without a damage bonus.

So what sort of bonuses would be better, then? I mean, not that it matters much or anything since Rise has basically decided "This is how the ship will be" without a shred of player testing to inform his decision. Even Ytterbium stepped back in the Marauder thread and said "after actual player testing, we decided to make some changes", but that's neither here nor there.
3 guns if you set up for scanning with a cloak, which of course is the idea of a cloaky scanning ship.

Well as for bonuses; as it is intended as a cloaky scanning ship, remove all bonuses to guns, keep drone bonuses, add 50% cloak cpu bonus, disallow bridging via blops (remove the idea of an OP cloaky blops cruiser altogether)

Larger cargo hold, 125m drone bandwidth.

The ship may well be capable of meeting the OP's original description without making OP for those who wish to use it strictly for pvp.

And yes, it seems the decision has been made purely from EFT warrior fits so not much point in hoping for something that isn't going to happen. The ship in any guise will find use initially due to it being new. Eventually it will find a nice place to sit in peoples hangers as the ship that might get used in a niche situation.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2305 - 2013-10-29 04:49:43 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
I dotn get why so much whining for 100mb.

Its not like you can only be useful on drones.

In fact all this winnign just supports that the ship was goign to be minmaxed ona single profile, somethign that is bad.

I for once, liked a LOT the changes. IN fact I feel it is more powerful NOW than it was before.


Stop underestiamting lasers!



there were three groups.

the largest and most happy were the regular pve guys... the ones doing annoms and basic stuff in 0.0

the smallest and loudest were the hot drop guys who said all they were going to do is hot drop people al over new eden

and them medium were the guys who actually enjoy the new hacking mini game.

so instead of just reducing the lazor damage (the real reason the ship was over the top) ccp rise decided to reduce the dps for the majority of the people who were going to use the ship... that is the regular pve player who had no intention of ever using a lazor on the ship... and they nerfed the dps by 20%....

that is why people are upset...

ccp could have kept everyone happy if they had just reduced the lazor dps by reducing turret hard points and kept the drones at 125mb...

they still can...

it just takes rise to come to the same conclusion.


Nope. Youa re wrong. The 5 sentry drones were the thign that was goign to be abused (With 3 drone damage mods) and woudl become too pwoerful on PVP for a ship with cloak


Even if you removed ALL guns, it woudl still be TOO powerful on PVP with 125m bandwidth and a covert ops cloak.

4 heavy pulse w/ scorch 4 garde II + 3 DDAs 730 DPS
5 garde II + 3 DDAs 750 DPS
That is not way to powerful.

When you use 4 heavy pulse lasers w/ conflagration and 4 ogre II + 3 DDAs 820 DPS
5 ogre II + 3 DDAs 793 DPS
Lasers and close range crystals with ogres do more damage than 5 ogres.


This ship looks awesome and to some OP in EFT but it is still only EFT, until we can fit the ship and test it there is no way of knowing how it will perform. So although 820DPS with 4 heavy lasers and 4 ogres sounds good, is it really? What are you going to be fighting with it??

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2306 - 2013-10-29 05:32:14 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:


Even if you removed ALL guns, it woudl still be TOO powerful on PVP with 125m bandwidth and a covert ops cloak.


When you use 4 heavy pulse lasers w/ conflagration and 4 ogre II + 3 DDAs 820 DPS
5 ogre II + 3 DDAs 793 DPS
Lasers and close range crystals with ogres do more damage than 5 ogres.


This ship looks awesome and to some OP in EFT but it is still only EFT, until we can fit the ship and test it there is no way of knowing how it will perform. So although 820DPS with 4 heavy lasers and 4 ogres sounds good, is it really? What are you going to be fighting with it??

I was point out that the ship is capable of higher DPS with 4 lasers and 4 drones vs 5 heavy drones.

Hitting would not be too much of a problem with 2x Webifiers and 1x scrambler.

The notion that the ship will be to powerful with 5 fully bonused drones (no turrets) and a covert ops cloak is simply not true.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2307 - 2013-10-29 06:11:18 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The notion that the ship will be to powerful with 5 fully bonused drones (no turrets) and a covert ops cloak is simply not true.

750dps from Garde II (x5), 2 webs, 1 scram, cloak, probes and 3 medium neuts - sounds true to me Pirate
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#2308 - 2013-10-29 06:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinn Corvez
A good bonus would have been to increase the warp speed.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2309 - 2013-10-29 09:58:30 UTC
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The notion that the ship will be to powerful with 5 fully bonused drones (no turrets) and a covert ops cloak is simply not true.

750dps from Garde II (x5), 2 webs, 1 scram, cloak, probes and 3 medium neuts - sounds true to me Pirate
Versus what ?? just for curiosity sake.. As your only going to have 3 slots for tank +DCU, major problems with CPU and with T2 rigs have around 40k EHP, I'd be interested as to what you'd be willing to decloak on.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#2310 - 2013-10-29 11:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The notion that the ship will be to powerful with 5 fully bonused drones (no turrets) and a covert ops cloak is simply not true.

750dps from Garde II (x5), 2 webs, 1 scram, cloak, probes and 3 medium neuts - sounds true to me Pirate
Versus what ?? just for curiosity sake.. As your only going to have 3 slots for tank +DCU, major problems with CPU and with T2 rigs have around 40k EHP, I'd be interested as to what you'd be willing to decloak on.

I would recommend trying to fly it like a kiting Navy Omen or Navy Arbitrator and engage all kinds of short ranged ships with a low buffer and 200ish dps active armour tank.

Though seriously speaking that would definitely include switching one DDA to nano and reducing the dps a bit, but that kind of a kiting role would definitely make this ship interesting. I want to see it happen.

EDIT: Actually, that would also mean losing the scram, webs and neuts too, and it would be a completely different fit in the end. With a brawling fit I would be hard pressed to engage anything that I would not engage in a Pilgrim.
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2311 - 2013-10-29 11:39:44 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Versus what ?? just for curiosity sake.. As your only going to have 3 slots for tank +DCU, major problems with CPU and with T2 rigs have around 40k EHP, I'd be interested as to what you'd be willing to decloak on.

Idk, it's not out yet but am guessing versus anything that can be killed quickly, solo or in a small gang.
Giullare
The Candyman is Back
#2312 - 2013-10-29 12:18:58 UTC
Is the covert op cloaking device confirmed?
Because on singularity i can't find the " can fit covert op cloaking device " in the description tab.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2313 - 2013-10-29 12:31:06 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The notion that the ship will be to powerful with 5 fully bonused drones (no turrets) and a covert ops cloak is simply not true.

750dps from Garde II (x5), 2 webs, 1 scram, cloak, probes and 3 medium neuts - sounds true to me Pirate
Versus what ?? just for curiosity sake.. As your only going to have 3 slots for tank +DCU, major problems with CPU and with T2 rigs have around 40k EHP, I'd be interested as to what you'd be willing to decloak on.

Anything, probably battlecruiser and smaller that is trying to flee. If engaging in a serious fight a full gank setup will die miserably.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2314 - 2013-10-29 12:40:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Giullare wrote:
Is the covert op cloaking device confirmed?
Because on singularity i can't find the " can fit covert op cloaking device " in the description tab.
According the the description on the forums the cloak is usable.
BUT on SISI you get this;
Quote:
And lastly, an ingenious but cryptic transfer in part of the warp core functionality to an outlying cylindrical structure means the Stratios is able to run certain higher-level cloaking functions with very little technical cost, and minimal interference from warp. The Sisters of EVE have refused to comment on this technology, other than to recommend it not be tampered with.
But then sisi also has
Quote:
50% reduction in Medium Energy Turret capcitor need
as a role bonus.. They are still not available it is sort of hard to tell.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2315 - 2013-10-29 13:32:50 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
I dotn get why so much whining for 100mb.

Its not like you can only be useful on drones.

In fact all this winnign just supports that the ship was goign to be minmaxed ona single profile, somethign that is bad.

I for once, liked a LOT the changes. IN fact I feel it is more powerful NOW than it was before.


Stop underestiamting lasers!



there were three groups.

the largest and most happy were the regular pve guys... the ones doing annoms and basic stuff in 0.0

the smallest and loudest were the hot drop guys who said all they were going to do is hot drop people al over new eden

and them medium were the guys who actually enjoy the new hacking mini game.

so instead of just reducing the lazor damage (the real reason the ship was over the top) ccp rise decided to reduce the dps for the majority of the people who were going to use the ship... that is the regular pve player who had no intention of ever using a lazor on the ship... and they nerfed the dps by 20%....

that is why people are upset...

ccp could have kept everyone happy if they had just reduced the lazor dps by reducing turret hard points and kept the drones at 125mb...

they still can...

it just takes rise to come to the same conclusion.


Nope. Youa re wrong. The 5 sentry drones were the thign that was goign to be abused (With 3 drone damage mods) and woudl become too pwoerful on PVP for a ship with cloak


Even if you removed ALL guns, it woudl still be TOO powerful on PVP with 125m bandwidth and a covert ops cloak.

4 heavy pulse w/ scorch 4 garde II + 3 DDAs 730 DPS
5 garde II + 3 DDAs 750 DPS
That is not way to powerful.

When you use 4 heavy pulse lasers w/ conflagration and 4 ogre II + 3 DDAs 820 DPS
5 ogre II + 3 DDAs 793 DPS
Lasers and close range crystals with ogres do more damage than 5 ogres.



cheap trick. Not puttign guns on your 5 dronesetup.

YEs its a HUGE difference when a single drone can outdamage 4 guns!


You just prooved my point,t hat this ship can NEVER ever had 125m bandwidth.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2316 - 2013-10-29 13:34:23 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:


Even if you removed ALL guns, it woudl still be TOO powerful on PVP with 125m bandwidth and a covert ops cloak.


When you use 4 heavy pulse lasers w/ conflagration and 4 ogre II + 3 DDAs 820 DPS
5 ogre II + 3 DDAs 793 DPS
Lasers and close range crystals with ogres do more damage than 5 ogres.


This ship looks awesome and to some OP in EFT but it is still only EFT, until we can fit the ship and test it there is no way of knowing how it will perform. So although 820DPS with 4 heavy lasers and 4 ogres sounds good, is it really? What are you going to be fighting with it??

I was point out that the ship is capable of higher DPS with 4 lasers and 4 drones vs 5 heavy drones.

Hitting would not be too much of a problem with 2x Webifiers and 1x scrambler.

The notion that the ship will be to powerful with 5 fully bonused drones (no turrets) and a covert ops cloak is simply not true.



You forget that your now MEPTY high slots could stil ahve guns.. for EVEN MORE Dps.. or NEuts.

Sto stop making these pathetic attempts t o hide the obvious facts.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#2317 - 2013-10-29 13:35:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Still, why does a shieldtanking cruiser have an armorresist-bonus?

Why would anyone who is still master of his mind fit that for armor of any sort, it just doesn't make any sense...
As an incentive, why not shift midslots over? You only need 4 anyways to run exploration.

Atm you can either build a very disappointing active tanked ship, you could uild a even more disappointing plated ship, or you could just go with a very decent shieldtanked cruiser, having all the options. With 5 mids though, and only 5 lows, this ship is going to be as armortanked as a thorax.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2318 - 2013-10-29 14:03:51 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:


Even if you removed ALL guns, it woudl still be TOO powerful on PVP with 125m bandwidth and a covert ops cloak.

You forget that your now MEPTY high slots could stil ahve guns.. for EVEN MORE Dps.. or NEuts.

Sto stop making these pathetic attempts t o hide the obvious facts.

Did you forget about that part?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2319 - 2013-10-29 14:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:

Even if you removed ALL guns, it woudl still be TOO powerful on PVP with 125m bandwidth and a covert ops cloak.

4 heavy pulse w/ scorch 4 garde II + 3 DDAs 730 DPS
5 garde II + 3 DDAs 750 DPS
That is not way to powerful.

When you use 4 heavy pulse lasers w/ conflagration and 4 ogre II + 3 DDAs 820 DPS
5 ogre II + 3 DDAs 793 DPS
Lasers and close range crystals with ogres do more damage than 5 ogres.



cheap trick. Not puttign guns on your 5 dronesetup.

YEs its a HUGE difference when a single drone can outdamage 4 guns!


You just prooved my point,t hat this ship can NEVER ever had 125m bandwidth.

Hardly proved your point, I merely followed the constraints that you placed to argue that 5 drones were OP with no turrets, which is not true.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2320 - 2013-10-29 15:40:24 UTC
I would rather have 3 bonused laser (5 highs, 3 turrets) slots with a 25% or 37.5% damage bonus so that the Stratios can be used as a laser-drone boat.

The capacitor bonus seems moot, since you can fit an injector and armor tank her.

That would give you one high slot for your taste and you still have the cloak but at least the laser-drone idea does'nt become unappealing.

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