Player Features and Ideas Discussion

EVE is a PvP game, everything down to mining and trading is still PvP. EVE's backstory is that its a cold harsh universe with god like ship pilots with little to no regard for life, making wars against each other with devastating powers. just because its the wrong end of the stick ur getting does not mean u are not playing out EVE's story. Add to that EVE's player driven story lines, where players are free to make their own content, that means they make suicide attempts against miners because its their religion if they so wish, and that is still fine.

the truth is, suicide ganking is a very intentional part of EVE. CONCORD were never there to prevent, only punish. if they intended it otherwise, dnt u think safeties would be permanently on in highsec by now?

this game isn't just PvP centric, its centred around the premise to ruin someones day if u desire, and have the knowledge and the means. scamming is fine, ganking is fine, non-consensual PvP is fine, theft is fine, bumping is fine, all forms of griefing that are within game mechanics and do not constitute as harassment are not only fine, but the most celebrated parts of this game.

if u dnt like that, u ARE in the wrong game....

It's still PvP. Player verses Player. The game thrives on the conflict and competition from PvP, it's what makes the wheels go round. Mining, industry, missions, the market etc are all PvP. Combat and shooting of ships, is only a subset of PvP.

You obviously don't understand the game you are playing.

I hate mining, I hate missions, but I don't run to the forums and expect them to be nerfed because of that. I also don't belittle others that have those in their play styles. The sad thing is we do notice all the back story, we do know the rich environment Eve has. It's people like yourself, that wish to nerf others and restrict their playing of the game, thus trying to make Eve something it's not.
While asking for this of course, people like yourself will call us trolls, immoral, sociopaths etc. Heaven forbid I'd have to play chess with you.

You've been here 5 years and claim to know the game? I find that highly amusing and rather ironic. We get it. The sand box is fine, as long as it's played your way.

Moving on.

The rest of his post is laughable, but this is an interesting thought. On the other hand, it makes new players a more interesting target, which is a slap in the face.

I believe CCP alluded to a new 'sanctuary' that would be available to new players (no ganking, etc.), so this will certainly benefit new players.

I understand, that players want to gank.
I understand, that players want to have a little save place.

To get this system still alive my idea incl. a roleplay argument.

Basic:

System for the Navy Attack is still used with a little modifer:

NPC Navy attack at sec status in
1.0 seclevel at -0,75
0.9 seclevel at -1,5
0.8 seclevel at -2,25
0.7 seclevel at -3
0.6 seclevel at -3,75
0.5 seclevel at -4.5

This is the base for getting the people basic save in high sec.

To this system I would add additional:

Jump Gate protection system
1.0 seclevel at -1,25
0.9 seclevel at -2
0.8 seclevel at -2,75
0.7 seclevel at -3,5
0.6 seclevel at -4,75
0.5 seclevel at -5

A char with lower sec status than -1,25 is not able to jump into a 1.0 System. Cause the gate knows the char and don't ramp him up to the other side of the gate.
RP argument: stats of the f10 maps and each player has his own id so each player can be single outsorted by the gate system)

A char with lower sec status than -2,5 but higher than 2,75
can't jump to a 0.9 system or higher, is navy attacked in 0.8 system but can still jump arround in 0.8 system or lower.


Idea behind this system:

1.0 Force of concord to get "evil" chars to low sec to let them work vor they're sec status. (There are some nice tags in some npc's to repair them.

1.1 to 1.0 isn't that a nice idea to get people to low / null @ ccp? ^^

2. Player have to take care about they're sec status. (That is missing in the atm system)

3. There are still possible Systems to jump back to higher sec systems, like Wormholesystems with a high sec exit or direkt Einstein-Rosen Bridge from a 0.5 to a 0.1 or 0.8 to 0.9.

4. There are special tags in low sec to farm the get the sec status up. So why not using them realy to take care about sec status?

Hope you enjoy or have any other ideas / mods for it.

/discuss

HTFU

3 kinds of space?

There is hi-sec, low-sec, null-sec, npc space, and WH space.

You do bring up a good point though. What's the difference between low-sec and npc space?

The fall off between .5 to .4 should exist between .1 and 0.0.

Hi-sec (.1 and higher)
Null-sec (0.0)
Low-sec (-.1 and lower)

Tsk, tsk Danika we all know the reason why he wants to ban some players from high security space: he wants perfect safety. He does not want to play Eve on Line, but a variation of it that looks alot like it, but is in reality a horrible variant where everyone in high sec is coddled like a child and don't have to think for themselves.

But yes, these types of players need to HTFU.

They already do.
Inside a station.



EVE is an MMO .. each person that plays it, is going to be playing for their own reason, with their own idea of 'what eve means'.
Some of the time those differing reasons and ideas are not going to gel very well. Sometimes they will.

The hard part some people seem to have trouble dealing with, is that there is a need within the game to accept other peoples reasons and/or ideas as viable alternatives to their own .. hence all the idiotic "your playing it wrong" comments you see scattered around the various sub-forums.


CCP put mission agents in the game for a reason
CCP put asteroids in the game for a reason
CCP put EWAR modules in the game for a reason

All those playstyles have a place within eve, not because we as players can accept them, but because CCP says we have to because they are in the game.

I never talked about a 100%-you-are-unable-to-gank-save-place

My idea is relativ and gives a sort of "defending" for these players in form of moving to another place, while the ganker is forced by his own sec status. This system is missing in high sec, but still no one is save anywhere (only on station or offline).