Intergalactic Summit

Well, the furore seems to have mellowed the Gallente in their old age. When you guys whelped a Dreadnaught fleet against them, they didn't do ANYTHING.

We get hounded for two centuries for some 'accounting irregularities'.

Yeah, and you cruelly assaulted and rebelled against people who just wanted to save you from yourselves.

Not as much fun when the shoe is on the other foot, eh? But hey, I forgot, I need to install my "minmatar think-thing" cybernetics chip. One moment...

...ah, there we go. It's all so clear, so clear. Resisting Amarrian occupation is reasonable, just, and right. Shakor is wonderful. Resisting Gallente occupation and assimilation is bad, unless you are minmatar. The minmatar are always right. No culture is important except for minmatar culture. Shakor commands death to the Amarr. The Caldari could never have any reason to oppose the Federation. The minmatar had reason to oppose the Federation at Colelie. Shakor is...

Well. I see things better now. When a political body imposes its will on your people, that's terrible, and killing millions or billions is completely acceptable, because your people are special. When someone else wants to escape colonialism, imperialism, and assimilation, that's unjustified and evil, because those people are not yours, and thus, not special. When the Minmatar hide the Thukker in deep space and the Starkmanir on planets, that's preserving your people. When the Caldari do it, that's deception and cheating. When the Minmatar, specifically, the Nefantar, falsely agree or assent to the Amarr, that's reasonable, because they had no other choice to save Minmatar. When the Caldari decide to revoke a political treaty, that's breaking a sacred promise. When one tribe of the Minmatar is bombarded from orbit, that's genocide. When nearly the entire Caldari race is bombarded from orbit, that's justified retaliation. When the Minmatar establish their own Republic, that's self-determination and a love of freedom. When the Caldari do the same, it's because they are greedy, barbaric monsters whose only goal is to demonstrate ingratitude. When the Minmatar attack CONCORD, and then invade Amarr space, breaking a peace treaty, and attack multiple planets, that's a justified rescue mission. When the Caldari break a treaty to regain one planet, without attacking CONCORD, that's naked aggression and unjustified violence. When the Minmatar attack the Federation at Colelie, it's because they were provoked. When the Caldari fight the Federation, it's because they are ungrateful rebels who deserve death.

Miss Rella, the reason most others here don't agree with you, or even like you, is that most of them lack the congenital condition necessary to getting their head stuck that far up their ass.

You have watched the Senate in action haven't you? They're nothing but dramatic actors, the whole thing is a performance art that is put out purely for the masses, the bickering, the back and forth posturing, and when it comes to election season it's an intergalactic circus.


The Scope raids happened, I don't think you've ever seen me question that.. of course this would involve you actually reading other people's posts and not just throwing baseless accusations out there. I just question the actual objective of the Scope raids, I don't think they were there looking for documents related to Highlander.


Your ignorance into the workings of the Federation and complete disregard of the mind of a man like Mentas Blaque and those who work for him shows once again that you really don't read the stuff you post. The world really isn't as obvious as you think it is TomHorn, then again you seem to think a vocal minority is a representation of the general majority, without any actual proof to back it up, so hey, don't let me stop you from hanging yourself.

The same old arguments...

Without listing names, I commend the individuals whom have represented themselves with dignity, composure and honor throughout this discussion.

To the matter at hand:

If we continue to try and point out who threw the first punch at the other, we will always be warring against one another. The past is done and unchangeable, the future remains unwritten and we are the ones holding the pen. At some point, those seeking peace in earnest have to realize that peace cannot be obtained while retribution, retaliation and/or rectification remain the driving factors of our motivations. Peace all too often requires that one side stop seeking rectification and start seeking reconciliation.

More importantly, however, is the simple truth that in order for peace to be obtained both sides have to be willing to embrace it, even if one side has to concede more than is desired.

Comparisons between our collective histories (referring to all peoples, not just Caldari and Gallente) will only reveal that we are each guilty of crimes against one another and we are all holding on to the ghosts of our past and writing our futures in the same bloody ink that our forebears left us with.

And while we're on the subject...


What would you know of how my people act? You're a Provist. You support Tibus Heth, a war criminal and traitor to the Caldari State, and you call your own people traitors for setting their own affairs in order. Instead of tending to your own house - a house left in disarray and near-ruin by Heth - you're trying to sew discord and strife in the houses of others. You clearly don't understand how act like a Caldari. You're in no position to lecture others on how to act.


No, I act like a true Federal. We Intaki are Federal citizens. It was upon our talents and efforts that the Federation was built, every bit as much as upon the Gallente, the Mannar or the Caldari. The Federation's two-century history is piled high with Intaki diplomats, scientists, senators and artists beyond counting. We are the Federation, every bit as much as any other culture.

And when the Provist thugs auctioned off star systems delivered to them by their stooges in the State Protectorate without even a single word of consultation with their residents, those were our systems you were selling. So when you say...


... we sneer.

Tuulinen-suuolo...

We should talk.

Let's get one Gods damned thing straight Ixiris. I don't owe a damn shred of anything to anyone in the Fed. I owe loyalty to the people I consider friend and family, the people who are willing to and HAVE died for me. I did my stint in the Navy, I did my duty to defend 'liberty' at stupid costs, and I've served in more ways than you'd think. Guess what? I got shafted. I saw the hypocrisy in our system and the blatant double standards, the blind eyes, and the very VERY rotten flesh right underneath the surface.

So don't you ******* dare say I owe jack **** to ANYONE. I know who I owe loyalty to, and I give it to them 100%. Don't tell me who I should and shouldn't be loyal to. Also don't lump me in with Seriphyn. I'm not an egomaniac making my own city state for his kid. I call bullshit as I see bullshit. That's it.


I'm not saying we're not the best. We're not good, we're not bad. We're there, we're different, that's it. Everyone has their way of doing things. Who the **** are we to go dictate what's good and bad in a culture? Happened with the Caldari and look how that turned out. We should learn our lesson. Democracy works for us, freedom of speech works for us, freedom of expression works for us. It doesn't work for everyone else. So until I see some gold ships pushing through the borders, I don't see justification for talking down to a group of people for what other, less savory of their kind have done when they're trying to be civil.

Unlike you, calling flaws at every ******* TURN.


So we should be secretly paranoid? Sociopaths basically? So that's how Blaque got into power...lovely.

You know your counsel is always welcome, Khross-suuolo.

Khross-haan; I'm certain I've said this elsewhere, but I'll say it again. It's a pleasure to see you taking a more active interest in affairs again.

Apology accepted, but I won't pretend I'm oblivious to the fact the Inhonores family is the largest benefactor of the Elusenian project. The Rodens have invested in many other colonial projects I'm sure.

I'd also apologize for briefly derailing this thread, but I'm not sure that derailment is necessarily a bad thing for this particular topic.