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[PIE Inc] Regarding those who question the Empress

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#201 - 2013-10-28 20:54:28 UTC
Mantis,

A proper education in the Kingdom is practically tantamount to heresy as far as the Theology Council is concerned I imagine.


Certainly asking some of the right questions though.


You of course know which symbol is the correct, and likely what conclusions they lead to.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#202 - 2013-10-28 23:34:41 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

A proper education in the Kingdom is practically tantamount to heresy as far as the Theology Council is concerned I imagine.


Actually no.

I am sure that fostering divisions between Empire and Kingdom amuses you and serves your ends, but these days the Khanid are close allies and brothers for the most part.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#203 - 2013-10-29 00:25:37 UTC
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:

I am sure that fostering divisions between Empire and Kingdom amuses you and serves your ends, but these days the Khanid are close allies and brothers for the most part.


You're right, I must have missed the time the Theology Council embraced Khanid II warmly and sung his praises.

You Imperials might gloss over the glaring different theological underpinnings our two cultures, but don't assume that everyone in the Kingdom has. His royal-royalness certainly hasn't.

And my 'heretical' status does not negate the truth of such observations.





Sabik now, Sabik forever
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#204 - 2013-10-29 02:32:25 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:

I am sure that fostering divisions between Empire and Kingdom amuses you and serves your ends, but these days the Khanid are close allies and brothers for the most part.


You're right, I must have missed the time the Theology Council embraced Khanid II warmly and sung his praises.

You Imperials might gloss over the glaring different theological underpinnings our two cultures, but don't assume that everyone in the Kingdom has. His royal-royalness certainly hasn't.

And my 'heretical' status does not negate the truth of such observations.



I think you make a bit much of what is essentially an academic issue, Silas. While the Sabik faith is inherently un-Scriptural and incompatible with right living, the Khanid Kingdom and our differences are not so vast. I would certainly not call my Khanid brethren any less than my brethren over idle political matters. Peace, understanding, and courtesy are to be had between those who walk humbly and righteously in the path of the Lord.

While somewhat vitriolic on forums such as these, in practice we are easily working through the smaller differences and gaining much from our reunion. The Khanid are of the Empire, and my people as near as my own flesh.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#205 - 2013-10-29 04:30:21 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:

I am sure that fostering divisions between Empire and Kingdom amuses you and serves your ends, but these days the Khanid are close allies and brothers for the most part.


You're right, I must have missed the time the Theology Council embraced Khanid II warmly and sung his praises.

You Imperials might gloss over the glaring different theological underpinnings our two cultures, but don't assume that everyone in the Kingdom has. His royal-royalness certainly hasn't.


Yes, you clearly have the highest respect and devotion for King Khanid II. Although... it may shock you to know that "his royal-royalness" is not in fact considered a respectful way to refer to him.

I've noted a recent concerted effort to rewrite history and cast Khanid as opposed to the Moral Reforms and a devotee of the cult of Tetrimon. While yes, the order of Tetrimon is allowed to continue to exist in the Kingdom and yes there is little love lost between Khanid and the Theology Council, the rest is pure propaganda for the various partisans making such claims. Intent no doubt on dividing allies and legitimizing their own marginalized agendas.

I challenge anyone to study the histories and scriptures and come to their own conclusions:

The Cult of Tetrimon (Chronicle)
Khanid II
Khanid Rebellion
Khanid Family

Silas Vitalia wrote:

And my 'heretical' status does not negate the truth of such observations.


But it does explain why the observations take a rather skewed view of the truth, bent and perhaps even broken.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#206 - 2013-10-29 08:16:24 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:

I am sure that fostering divisions between Empire and Kingdom amuses you and serves your ends, but these days the Khanid are close allies and brothers for the most part.


You're right, I must have missed the time the Theology Council embraced Khanid II warmly and sung his praises.

You Imperials might gloss over the glaring different theological underpinnings our two cultures, but don't assume that everyone in the Kingdom has. His royal-royalness certainly hasn't.

It is very odd indeed, but I have to agree wholeheartedly.

The problem with people such as Constantin and Zelarrs is that their scope of mind and experience is rather limited. While Constantin is clearly under drug influence that killed his judgement (“peace, understanding, and courtesy”), Zelarrs is under PIE influence which means he can only shout “Yes, Sir!” or “Heretic!” and compensate his lack of relevance with making ultra-establishmentarian statements.

Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:

I challenge anyone to study the histories and scriptures and come to their own conclusions:

Maybe you would care to elaborate your point? I am a bit too busy to study some linked material in order to find out what you might want to say. Or wait: Don’t. I don’t care.

With kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#207 - 2013-10-29 08:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:


I challenge anyone to study the histories and scriptures and come to their own conclusions:

The Cult of Tetrimon (Chronicle)
Khanid II
Khanid Rebellion
Khanid Family
.


Dear sir,

I believe the debate you are referring to is not in it's place in this meeting. Yet I would strongly advise against opening this pandoras box. I fully believe you have not taken full consideration when refering to the above as grounds for a challenge.

My respect, admiration for my brothers in PIE, as well as common civil norms refrains me from disrupting and veering this venue from it's original path.

The only reason I brought this issue up in My original comment is to remind those that speak 'on behalf of God' of the very thin line they tread when doing so.

Yet If you see it a must you are welcome to open that particular debate in another venue.

"The haft of the arrow had been feathered with one of the eagle's own plumes, we often give our enemies the means of our own destruction."
–Aesop

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Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#208 - 2013-10-29 09:23:06 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:


I challenge anyone to study the histories and scriptures and come to their own conclusions:

The Cult of Tetrimon (Chronicle)
Khanid II
Khanid Rebellion
Khanid Family
.


Dear sir,

I believe the debate you are referring to is not in it's place in this meeting. Yet I would strongly advise against opening this pandoras box. I fully believe you have not taken full consideration when refering to the above as grounds for a challenge.

My respect, admiration for my brothers in PIE, as well ass common civil norms refrains me from dirupting and veering this venue from it's original path.

The only reason I brought this issue up in My original comment is to remind those that speak 'on behalf of God' of the very thin line they tread when doing so.

Yet If you see it a must you are welcome to open that particular debate in another venue.

"The haft of the arrow had been feathered with one of the eagle's own plumes, we often give our enemies the means of our own destruction."
–Aesop


Actually my comments were not directed at you, my friend.

You brought a point of legitimate point of contention between Kingdom and Empire. I have faith that it will be resolved, but expect that will be handled elsewhere than these forums. I was more concerned with the misinformation slung about here that could be intended to sabotage those efforts.


Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#209 - 2013-10-29 09:25:10 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:

Maybe you would care to elaborate your point? I am a bit too busy to study some linked material in order to find out what you might want to say. Or wait: Don’t. I don’t care.

With kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest


I expect nothing more of you.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#210 - 2013-10-29 18:23:17 UTC
Brothers Elkoth and Baracca both being Imperial apologists I am of course not surprised with their opinions.


The current political situation betwixt Jamyl and Khanid is a marriage of convenience, brought about by some of the unique circumstances of the situation at the time of its creation.

The only thing holding it together is sheer strength of will on the parts of Jamyl and Khanid. Surely none of you can imagine any of the other Heirs embracing their long-lost Brother unless mandated to do so?


Let me put it this way; When Jamyl dies, how long do you think the current situation will last?

Either Khanid will take the throne or he will die in the ensuing power-grab.

My money is on Khanid of course.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#211 - 2013-10-29 19:07:17 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Brothers Elkoth and Baracca both being Imperial apologists I am of course not surprised with their opinions.


The current political situation betwixt Jamyl and Khanid is a marriage of convenience, brought about by some of the unique circumstances of the situation at the time of its creation.

The only thing holding it together is sheer strength of will on the parts of Jamyl and Khanid. Surely none of you can imagine any of the other Heirs embracing their long-lost Brother unless mandated to do so?


Let me put it this way; When Jamyl dies, how long do you think the current situation will last?

Either Khanid will take the throne or he will die in the ensuing power-grab.

My money is on Khanid of course.



Perhaps you've spent a bit too much time in nullsec, Vitalia, most of us who live in the Empire proper are not predisposed to factionalism, especially these days. If we are as combative as you imagine, the Khanid Kingdom would have been crushed by the larger Empire. The wisdom of Emperor Heideran shows as the Khanid have returned to the fold bloodlessly. Most of us Amarr would not be pleased to be fighting or killing the Khanid.

I imagine that Khanid will only be able to take the throne if they are re-instated as an heir family, which may be some time in coming. If it happens, though, and Khanid becomes emperor, I have a feeling our political differences will have been completely settled.

It might be more difficult for you to understand since your location and lifestyle might color your perception of the Empire at large. The Khanid and we are not nearly so hostile towards each other as typical IGS bickering would have you believe.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#212 - 2013-10-29 19:16:57 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
If we are as combative as you imagine, the Khanid Kingdom would have been crushed by the larger Empire. The wisdom of Emperor Heideran shows as the Khanid have returned to the fold bloodlessly



Actually dear it was attempted several times, and several times Khanid threw your military back.


But I digress, and the thread has been steered a bit from the topic at hand.

Long story short your opinion of a great and united, internally peaceful body politic within the Empire is amusing.

We can discuss such matters in another venue or location if you like, however!

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#213 - 2013-10-29 19:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zelarrs Elkoth
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Brothers Elkoth and Baracca both being Imperial apologists I am of course not surprised with their opinions.


The current political situation betwixt Jamyl and Khanid is a marriage of convenience, brought about by some of the unique circumstances of the situation at the time of its creation.

The only thing holding it together is sheer strength of will on the parts of Jamyl and Khanid. Surely none of you can imagine any of the other Heirs embracing their long-lost Brother unless mandated to do so?


Let me put it this way; When Jamyl dies, how long do you think the current situation will last?

Either Khanid will take the throne or he will die in the ensuing power-grab.

My money is on Khanid of course.



And it is also to be expected to see you attempting to undermine the Empire and the orthodoxy you despise, by transparently attempting to foster divisions between allies by sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Seems we are all playing our parts properly here.

Glad that is established.

Quote:
But I digress, and the thread has been steered a bit from the topic at hand.


Yes, agreed. Time to move along.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#214 - 2013-10-29 22:11:45 UTC
There is far more that unites the Kingdom and Empire than divides us.

Anyone who denies this is either a fool or a liar.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#215 - 2013-10-31 14:29:45 UTC
Unionists, I learned while growing up, are terribly fond of committees.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."
Valkarth Tlakotani
Confederation Navy
#216 - 2013-11-02 21:22:29 UTC
Hello, I have recently returned from deep space research. Having lost my way and found my soul, I must comment here. First, there has been no explanation of the 'weapon' that Glorious Empress Jamyl used to stop the Elder invasion of the Kingdom of God. There however have been lots of comments that she lacks power and other insults. Did no one think of the obvious? Any technology that is unexplainable is probably the Word of God. The Crusade that PIE is on is admirable. Let the enemies of the Word tremble.
Valkarth Tlakotani
-ex-GHSC
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#217 - 2013-11-03 04:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Valkarth Tlakotani wrote:
Hello, I have recently returned from deep space research. Having lost my way and found my soul, I must comment here. First, there has been no explanation of the 'weapon' that Glorious Empress Jamyl used to stop the Elder invasion of the Kingdom of God. There however have been lots of comments that she lacks power and other insults. Did no one think of the obvious? Any technology that is unexplainable is probably the Word of God. The Crusade that PIE is on is admirable. Let the enemies of the Word tremble.
Valkarth Tlakotani
-ex-GHSC


I cringed when I read this. Theologically and philosophically the idea that anything we cannot understand is God is useless. As humanity has progressed in knowledge and understanding of the universe, we understand more, but God has not diminished. God is everything, things that we do understand and things that we do not.

Also, while ignoring the Sabik will not make it go away, it will greatly improve happiness. Do not attempt to debate with it, converse with it, or consider it's statements. Simply destroy it.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#218 - 2013-11-03 05:20:44 UTC
Valkarth Tlakotani wrote:
Hello, I have recently returned from deep space research. Having lost my way and found my soul, I must comment here. First, there has been no explanation of the 'weapon' that Glorious Empress Jamyl used to stop the Elder invasion of the Kingdom of God. There however have been lots of comments that she lacks power and other insults. Did no one think of the obvious? Any technology that is unexplainable is probably the Word of God. The Crusade that PIE is on is admirable. Let the enemies of the Word tremble.
Valkarth Tlakotani
-ex-GHSC


The reports following that engagement seem to unequivocally indicate that the weapon in question was a technological, not a theological, wonder. To attribute it to God is, and I apologize for my bluntness, rather lazy. Our faith is not blind, it is engaged. We think and we wrestle and we do not accept undeveloped answers. The existence of that instrument of salvation was not a miracle, it was mundane. That it was where it was when it was needed and that our Empress was present to wield it, that is the miracle.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Valkarth Tlakotani
Confederation Navy
#219 - 2013-11-04 10:15:44 UTC
I agree completely about the weapon. However for the uninitiated, the miracle isnt worth discussing. They are not worthy.
Our Empress is indeed the miracle, but then the uniniated dismiss that as propaganda, conveniently assuming that philosophy and sophistry will suffice for their needs.
Show them a weapon. A weapon without answer. They may live or die under the sword.

Valkarth Tlakotani
-ex-GHSC
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#220 - 2013-11-04 11:40:33 UTC
Rawr rawr slavers rawr revenge rawr false sky god....

....what is this thread about at this point?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"