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Exploration/Side PvP Information

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Kraven54
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-10-29 00:57:15 UTC
Greetings!

I read through quite a few threads and just need some direct answers to clarify some new things. First off, I want to make ISK through exploration. I am new to the game and do not have my fighting skills very high. How do I do exploration in simple terms to make money without fighting?

Once I get the hang of exploration and make money by doing it, what is an easy way to get into fun easy PvP? I am a full-time student and parent so just looking for ways to enjoy EVE online with a chaotic schedule which is why I am not grouping up with other people or joining a corp. Thanks so much for your time reading this and your answers if you reply!

In-Game Name:
-Korvin54
Baggo Hammers
#2 - 2013-10-29 01:22:13 UTC
Just a modecum of effort on your part would help a lot. Have you tried Googling "Eve exploration?" For instance you would find that there is nothing to fight in Data and Relic sites. Simple enough?

Here is just one of the many sites I found in 10 seconds by Googling. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Probing_In_Simple_Steps

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.

Kraven54
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-10-29 01:26:17 UTC
You seem irritated by my post, please don't feel obligated to post if it bothers you that much. Yes I did read those but was also told in-game not to do exploration because I would die. I was also told I would need certain skills high enough which made everything I am reading and being told conflict with one another. On top of all of this I also was told that people wait within these sites for PvP purposes. I am just looking for first-hand information from people who do exploration and are experienced with it so I don't have to learn the hard way. Thank you for your time.


-Korvin54

Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-29 01:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
The EVE community doesn't like people who want to be spoonfed information without doing their own research first. Get used to it. Since it appears you have indeed tried to find out some facts yourself, here is a few pointers:

You will die in EVE, regardless of what you do - unless you stay docked your whole life. Some actions lead to you dying more, some actions lead to you dying less, but ultimately every ship has its time. Never fly anything that you aren't okay with losing.

You need certain skills for exploration. You don't need them particularly high to start with, but you will eventually want to train them up to be faster. In addition to your character's skills, your skill as a player also plays a big role.

Yes, people will occasionally wait in the sites to kill you. In highsec, this will result in them losing their ship to CONCORD, so it's very rare. Anywhere else, refer to the first point.

Familiarize yourself with cargo scanning and the loot spew mechanic - in particular learn which cans are useful and which ones are junk. This is the biggest difference between making 10M and hour or 100M an hour.

Start with exploration in highsec to learn the how-to, but don't expect any great money. If you want decent income, explore in lowsec or nullsec.

Exploration is a game of chance. Sometimes you will scan ten systems without finding anything. Sometimes you will get dozens of millions in loot in the first site. If you want a more reliable and steady income, I suggest running missions.



The best way to get into PvP is to join a PvP corporation focused on helping new players. Search for Red vs Blue, or Brave Newbies. Yes you can be an asset even with limited playtime, just let your corp know what they can expect of you.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#5 - 2013-10-29 02:05:55 UTC
Only way to avoid (mostly) pvp while doing exploration is to say in highec but that isthe least profitable of all exploration. As for getting into pvp - its hard for newer players to learn to pvp in eve - your best bet is to find a newbee friendly corp such as the brave nebees, but there is also faction warfare, and rvb. Personally, my favorite option is just buy some frigs and just go lose them in low sec.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Kraven54
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-10-29 02:15:15 UTC
Awesome replies guys! Thanks a ton you really helped!
ketkrokur
Silent Storm Technologies
#7 - 2013-10-29 16:08:24 UTC
Hey.

This site has a decent guide on exploration and what can be found in the mini containers.

Exploration can be really worth it in the long run. At first while you are getting started in highsec the returns won't be great but as soon as you are ready for low-sec exploration you will start seeing some isk.

Nullsec exploration can net you around 100 mill an hour easily.
Kraven54
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-10-29 20:03:07 UTC
I am having a really hard time right how! So far all I am finding is wormholes in high sec space. Also can I clear rats and such out of high sec space in a T1 frigate? Or do I need a destroyer and so on?
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#9 - 2013-10-29 20:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Kraven54 wrote:
I am having a really hard time right how! So far all I am finding is wormholes in high sec space. Also can I clear rats and such out of high sec space in a T1 frigate? Or do I need a destroyer and so on?


Depends on the type of site. Relic/data sites don't have rats at all save for the wormhole sites.

As far as combat complexes, it depends. They range from 1/10 and 2/10 (can be done in a frig/destroyer) to 4/10 (rare in hisec, but probably best done in a battlecruiser).

Quote:
Just a modecum of effort on your part would help a lot. Have you tried Googling "Eve exploration?" For instance you would find that there is nothing to fight in Data and Relic sites. Simple enough?

Here is just one of the many sites I found in 10 seconds by Googling. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Probing_In_Simple_Steps


Ah, yes. Just use google. The new player can then use his extensive knowledge of patch notes to filter the guides that are current versus the guides that stopped being relevant 6 years ago.
Raze Kvothe
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-10-30 17:55:10 UTC
Hi there. I'm actually a very new player myself (about a month) and have gotten into exploration so thought I would pass on a bit of what I've learned. First, exploration in low sec is far more lucrative than hi sec and is absolutely doable for a new player (and a lot more fun and exciting). You just have to prepare and be smart about it (which won't eliminate losses but will minimize them). I assume you have your race's frigate for exploration (I'm Caldari, so Heron for me). The links above to the exploration guide will tell you how to fit it. This is the link I refer to:

http://www.eveinfohub.com/guides/exploration/

Make sure you have a MWD and a cloaking device equipped. You can't use the covert ops cloaking device yet (you need a covert ops ship for that), but you can use the Improved Cloaking Device II. Use it (and not Prototype Cloaking Device I) because it enables you to do a "trick" to get through gate camps. The trick is described here:

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cloak_Trick

Make sure you know how to do this like it is second nature. Do it everywhere you travel, even in hi sec. Practice it in hi sec. I could do this in my sleep the first time I entered low sec. I also practiced everything else (i.e., scanning down sites, the hacking game, and collecting containers) in hi sec a lot before I moved to low sec. I can do this all relatively quickly now so that I'm more efficient with it in low sec. Also learn to use D-scan so that you know if someone is in the system trying to scan you down. Use D-scan frequently while you are in a system scanning and doing the hacking game. Take the time to pause and hit it again. If I see someone trying to scan me down I move on. There are other systems out there. Read about what a safe spot is and how to use them. Only scan cloaked and from a safe spot. Have an alternate safe spot to run to in a system.

Use the in-game and Dotlan maps to map out low traffic areas of low sec. You want places where there are few pilots, few (or no is better) destroyed ships and pods in the last hour. Map out your route. Stay away from high traffic areas and especially don't explore in low sec areas right next to a hi sec area. I scan only in quiet systems with no other pilots or maybe just a few other pilots. Look at the info on every other pilot (right click on name and show info) in the system with you and move on if you see a pilot that is likely to be a danger to you (an obvious pvper). Even there are only one or two pilots in the system and they look pretty benign, assume they are a danger to you and be careful. Yeah, they could be mining but they could also have another ship or friends close by who would like nothing better than to gank you.

I know it can be a bit hard to find current information about exploration in low sec. There is some old stuff (pre-Odyssey) that has good information, but it usually has some outdated stuff included too. Just wade through it for the relevant stuff. And pay particular attention to anything written about exploration and low sec survival for Odyssey. In no particular order, here is some stuff I found helpful.

http://vonkeigai.blogspot.com/2013/07/tips-on-playing-exploration-minigame.html

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=244165

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Odyssey_Exploration

I've been very lucky and haven't lost my first Heron yet, but I've already purchased another so that I'm ready to go when I do (because I will, sooner than later). It almost happened the other day. I was hacking at a site and someone had already scanned down the sites in the system and was on top of me in a covert ops ship just after I started. I took some damage but was able to warp away (or maybe the pilot realized I really didn't have anything of value at the time and figured I wasn't worth the bother). I was thrilled (and also nervous) the first time I encountered a gate camp. But I've more than made up for the cost of replacing the ship and all the mods, actually many times over. And exploration in low sec where there is some risk involved is so much more fun than hi sec.

Hope this is helpful. Happy flying!

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#11 - 2013-10-30 23:39:50 UTC
Kraven54 wrote:
Yes I did read those but was also told in-game not to do exploration because I would die.

That's not an argument to avoid it, because while you might die this is a highly unpredictable variable. One best to not give to much thought, exploding is part of the game. The loot from a single site in lowsec is probably worth more then one T1 probe frigate anyway. Just don't buy a ton of junk you don't need and there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't take some risks. At this stage you do not know how much risk undertaking X is because you have never tried it. Just invest a portion of your ISK into X (in your case a couple of frigates) and not all of it. Don't put all your eggs in one basket, do your own research, and be a little bold sometimes.

Kraven54 wrote:
everything I am reading and being told conflict with one another.

Another argument why the hard way is the right way, you don't want your mind poisoned with outdated information from 'veterans'. Only personal experience counts when it matters. Exploration has had a massive overhaul one expansion back. Go with your own experiences, don't be to scared to have a couple of bad ones. Those will actually teach your more then blindly following instructions.

Kraven54 wrote:
On top of all of this I also was told that people wait within these sites for PvP purposes. I am just looking for first-hand information from people who do exploration and are experienced with it so I don't have to learn the hard way.

Correct, and I would be one of those stalking demons of lowsec myself. There are tons of ways to catch explorers, but in my experience it requires patience, lots of patience, something rather rare in PVP oriented groups. After all the best target one could hope for is a T2 covops frigate. If you ever get ganked inside a site, add that person to your watchlist with bad standings and never uncloak in a site when they are in local. The chance of this happening is way, way higher in someones home system.