Test Server Feedback

after extensive testing with Lelob last night we've come to a conclusion that ships instantly appear on grid when they hit somewhere around 8 au/s. I can't give you a more exact number, but I was able to warp away from 8 au/s dictor with about 50% success rate. Anything slower I could see coming to grid, anything faster I had no chance at all.

So this poses a problem for any ships that have final warp speed of over 8 au/s, which is basically any t2 cruiser hull and smaller. It'll take implants for a t2 cruiser hull to do this, but is the Ascension set is 57% total bonus then t2 rigged implanted hics will go at roughly 9.2 au/s. Not only does this mean that you aren't safe jumping a super into empty lowsec system, but it means you won't see it coming on grid either. However THIS is purely an issue for supercaps seeing how hictors aren't really useful for much else in lowsec and in 0.0 no one is gonna use 3bil worth of implants while sitting in this own bubble.

This really leaves the problems of dictors and general frigates. A ceptor that warps to grig can point an aligned ship that isn't ready to insta-warp. Granted if you are hovering on the warp button you will get out. If you are not and you still aligned out you will probably not get out. Basically this is really nothing new, however it took down the reaction time you need to warp away from 5-6s that it is now to perhaps as little as 2s. Good pilots will take advantage, bad pilots will suffer. This is really nothing new, good pilots are generally better at adapting to changes, so power to them.

(ps. on ceptors: i think giving them interdiction nullification is a going too far, and the feature should be ultimately saved for t3s only)

The other ships that will be capable of insane warp speeds for their size are t3s with warp speed subsystem. Tengu will be the biggest beneficiary of this. It can fit both nanos/istabs while having 10 au/s warp speed, which means it will be able to cover distances insanely fast, of course it will lack interdiction nullification, but in lowsec this doesn't matter, in 0.0 i'd probably go with a nullifier and warp speed rigs/implants. This will likely only have an impact on sleeping carebears.

Lastly this brings us to dictors, which are ultimately entirely broken. Going forward any "coward" fleet will be always aligned, and the person with the fleet warp button will be tasked with a single objective. Spam scan, and as soon as there is a dictor on it warp fleet, it doesn't matter if the dictor isn't even coming to the fleet or just passing through. The moment it's on scan the fleet leaves, simple as that, and it doesn't come back until that dictor is gone. This will lead to nullified t3 sniping doctrines which are the ultimate form of coward fleet. It will have a larger impact on any and all forms of capital warfare to the point where smaller entities will simply refuse to use capitals in any capacity. Large capital entities will be the least impacted. If you can put over 50 supers on the field you probably don't really care because there is only likely 3-4 entities who can even do this. Getting them out might be a pain but that's about it.

I think this about sums it up. Whether this is entirely correct or entirely wrong remains to be seen, but I don't see how can possibly be very wrong.

Remember how this forum told CCP that the new launcher is broken as ****?

I love you capqu.

I can see only 1 real fix.
Close Singularity and test server feedback forum section.
No more customers warning you are breaking the game.

leave it as it is now on the test server, Having that sudden drop out is good for both the guy warping and the guy on the field and for those that think otherwise , it wont be long before they adapt. Simply saying its bad if someone can get on grid without any notice, but on the flip side, that some someone has much less time to take in and react to the space they have landed in. Its an awesome double edge blade.

Its not "not noticed" its "not able to be seen"

And its not "less time to react" its "by the time your interface updates you are already scrammed"

Agreed, this wasn't what I was seeing when I was testing it... I saw grids being loaded after I landed... both for me in high warp speed interceptor and for pilots already on grid... they would see me same time I saw them...

long time ago, they made overview refresh much faster... this includes when someone spawns on grid.... but it still doesn't change the fact that a dictor landing on you doesn't have to lock you, and thus you are tackled the same tick as he lands, all he has to do is spam his launcher while in warp...

an interceptor will take 2 sec to tackle you...

Relax buddy.

or how the uni inv was a piece of crap? cor how it was bad to introduce WIS? or how the nex "exploration" was bad? or..... you get the idea.....

why the hell are you even opening this forum, test server and bother replying ccp, if this is only to told us "GTFO we do what we want and will ignore you anyway"? what is the point here?

guess you guy need another massive riots, but i doubt even this will make you understand.


at least this part of the forum is famous in video game indusrty: "how not to manage a test server feedback"

Yay forums ate my post (again) - rewrite.



I would recommend taking the time to organise a mass test if this is an issue players feel strongly enough about. This will give you more data and the player base some confidence that their worries are taken seriously. Letting it go live in a state which might really upset people with the mentality of "we can patch it later" is the EA way of working, look how much we like them.

Interceptors being able to warp so fast they can skip dscan is an issue. This isn't an issue with warp speeds but rather the dscan limitations.
Ships instantly appearing on grid and being able to lock before you can react is also an issue.

Everyone in EVE loves ships exploding but this should be the fault of the pilot not because he has no chance due to game mechanics. These changes are another huge blow on making people want to live in NullSec, with this release mining in NullSec is almost dead as any interceptor can be in system and warp to a Grav site (which don't offer hidden protection any more) before miners can react and warp out. This goes for Battleships running anomalies as well, jump in ignore bubble and warp to sanctum you will most likely catch something.

The issues above don't fall entirely on the warp changes, or the interceptor changes but lots of changes to EVE over the years and these new changes being added without revision of content needed to counter them.