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Eve Online vs. World of Warcraft

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Rekon X
Doomheim
#141 - 2013-10-28 21:33:16 UTC
WOW is a good game. But playing Warcraft before WOW probably helped. I started playing Dec 04 and I think it was a lot better when it was first released and everyone was leveling up. There was a lot more people willing to group up and do areas together.

I started EVE about 10 months later, played for 3 months and went back to WOW. Mostly because in Dec 05 they changed the game font and it was just to much of a hassle trying to read things such as null sec systems and market data. Returned to EVE about 2 years ago for about 3 months. Back again, had a special offer, but probably not for long.

So I spent about 6x more time playing WOW as I have Eve.

WOW does seem to be kind of on the decline and I think you missed the best parts of the game.

What I like is the ignorant ones that are bashing the last expansion with introducing pandas, when they really came from warcraft 3, not WOW.

http://classic.battle.net/war3/pandaren/

Doubt there will be another game that I will spend as much time playing as I have WOW.

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Rekon X
Doomheim
#142 - 2013-10-28 21:36:22 UTC
Jack Hayson wrote:
Sooo much bias in this thread from people that never touched any of the hard content in WoW...




Cause they think, somehow it makes them kewl. It really just proves ignorance.

I've done raids, and a lot of pvp in wow and I loved it. Especially the original Alterac Valley. Wish there was a way to get that back.

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Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2013-10-28 21:37:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Starkey
There isn't much to compare eve with other than itself. It's a different paradigm than most theme park games thesedays. The only similarity between eve and wow is that both are online games. Their strong points are in totally different areas of the game.

Eve is also one of the very few actual mmorpgs left.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#144 - 2013-10-28 21:41:13 UTC
Gerald Sphinx wrote:


Anyways, apparently this guy finds it stupid that there is no leveling system in Eve and that there are only skill books to train up. He also found it completely lame that if you leave your ship unattended in space someone else (who has the skills to pilot it) can hop into it and jack it from right under your nose. He also didn't like the idea that in Eve Online, our culture is basically the equivalent of a Momma Bird kicking the Baby Bird off the nest to see if it flies. Adapt or Die.



Pretty much says it all about your average WoW player.

But they keep the economy alive, so... "meh".


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Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2013-10-28 21:41:40 UTC
Ive played EvE since 2005 nearly every day for my sins. Big smile

I installed WoW and got to the splash screen to log in..........................................and then promptly uninstalled it Lol


Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#146 - 2013-10-28 21:43:01 UTC
If CCP had a WoW budget and a better understanding of the draw of their own game, I think the numbers in EvE would dwarf WoW, pun intended.

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Rekon X
Doomheim
#147 - 2013-10-28 21:47:56 UTC
Gogela wrote:
If CCP had a WoW budget and a better understanding of the draw of their own game, I think the numbers in EvE would dwarf WoW, pun intended.


Not likely. There has only been 1 real expansion in this game in the 10 years of existence. They wouldn't know what to do with it.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#148 - 2013-10-28 21:52:40 UTC
War Craft isn't bad per se. I played for a few years and had a few 85 toons. The problem is that you have to play several hours a day to get the most out of EVE and seeing I don't always have the time for that I stopped playing. You don't have to run dailies in EVE.

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Shadow Love
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#149 - 2013-10-28 23:54:51 UTC
I did my tour of WoW in the older days of Vanilla and the Burning Crusade, but I quit once they accounced the Arthas expansion. I was tired of grinding all the way to the top gear in Vanilla, and having everything reset instantly in TBC. I was level 60 with a new level cap of 70, by the time I was 65 every piece of gear I had earned the hard way through raiding was outclassed by crap I picked up from generic fetch this-kill that missions. I grinded to the top again in TBC, but I decided I wouldn't ever do it again.

WOW had a lot of draw back in the day. The pvp was fun and challenging, the raids were hard and earning your loot felt really fulfilling. These days though, i can't play lvl 1-100 mage/warrior/thief MMOs. EVE has spoiled me, and even though I am (mostly) a risk adverse carebear the constant danger is what keeps me interested in EVE. I'm older now too, and though I do my fair share of marathon gaming sessions it's nothing like the gaming binges I did in my early 20s to be the king of the hill in WOW so to speak.

EVE doesn't require that of you, which I like.

As far as new players feeling powerless in EVE, I actually miss being new. Now i'm always thinking about isk risk/reward for anything I do... I try to ignore it, I just can't =(
Arturus Reno
The Reason is Treason
Pandemic Horde
#150 - 2013-10-29 01:02:28 UTC
WOW....ugh

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!


Seriously I played the trial years back and thought it was horrible. Any game that a 6 year old can pick up and play with ease is not the place I wanna be. Roll
Rekon X
Doomheim
#151 - 2013-10-29 01:52:54 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
1. In terms of quality, Wow beats EVE into the dirt, no comparison here (the reason is that Blizzard is a financial powerhouse and this allowed them to spend like crazy on wow, whereas, EVE gimps along not even covering broken core game mechanic costs because the player base is so small).

2. in terms of pvp, you will have to get used to a much faster rate of game play, you can get away without hotkey usage in EVE because it plays so slowly but if you want to even remotely be competitive in wow pvp you better have 20 fingers and 50 hotkeys or you're dead before you even start.

3. You will probably learn to prefer the leveling model to the Skill point model if you play a lot since you can level up to max level in days rather than years.

4. i suggest a pvp server if you do play it is more like EVE in that you can be killed almost anywhere.

5. you will miss PLEX if you pay for your account this way, there is no game legal way to do this in wow.

6. the pvp between EVE and Wow follows a similar model, so much so that you can almost equate some ships in eve with classes in wow.

7. If you like the intrigue of EVE, you will miss that as wow really doesnt have anything like it.

8. You will find that the average wow forum poster is more flexible, intelligent and articulate than the idiot lot that tends to post in EVEs forums, i was absolutely stunned by this when i first started reading and posting on the EVE forums.

9. Blizzard does a much better job of balancing the needs of all of its player base than EVE does. Eve tends to strongly favor huge alliances and it seems they intend to push the game even further that direction in the future.

10. As to economies: Wow has a much better auction house, the only thing about EVE's market that i prefer is that you cannot flood the market with as many things as you like unless you start making alts to do so because of the skills that limit how many active orders you can have in EVE; whereas, in Wow you can place as many as you want.

Also, you mention burdensome restrictions on transferring assets around the various wow realms, yes this is an issue and comes with both real money costs as well as game money limits. You can beat a lot of this issue by transferring assets instead of game currency. Also, wow has a currency limit per account but again using assets you can bypass the so called 'gold cap'.

11. About the subscription differences: EVE is more hostile and this turns off a lot of players, EVE also is harder to learn how to play, mostly because the EVE dev team is inept. The EVE UI feels like it is 20 years old and this may turn off players used to more modern gaming UI's.

The EVE universe is mostly the same solar system copy and pasted 1000 times; whereas, WOW has richly unique gaming environments. All MMOs have ongoing balance issues to deal with but EVE suffers from broken core game mechanics, the only issue that WOW has that is even remotely similar is its ongoing difficulty balancing the needs of pvp vs pve game play.

12. As to EVE 'thriving' it isnt. EVE has all the parts to make a game that would attract millions regardless of its cutthroat nature but the game is so poorly managed that it doesnt have the real world currency to enrich either its pve or pvp game playing aspects, both suffer from lack of capital to even cover their basic upkeep let alone enrich either of them to any significant degree. Hence EVE "expansions" that are smaller than most 'patches' to WOW.



Lot of good points here.

One thing that has eluded every programming team that has put together an mmo and blizzard did exceptionally well is spell casting, character control.
- you cast a spell in wow it goes off instantly, and they sync that to the server. There is no spell casting lag. It feels seemless and very responsive like you have the server sitting on your LAN.

No other mmo has been able to do that and it is still impressive to me.

It's really to bad cause Rift would be a good game if they used the underlying blizzard model.

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Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums
Doomheim
#152 - 2013-10-29 01:55:14 UTC
its true, wow was a lot funnier when it was harder to level.. now its just so easy the game really only starts at level 90
Rekon X
Doomheim
#153 - 2013-10-29 02:00:08 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
War Craft isn't bad per se. I played for a few years and had a few 85 toons. The problem is that you have to play several hours a day to get the most out of EVE and seeing I don't always have the time for that I stopped playing. You don't have to run dailies in EVE.


I could never do dailies. I just could not run the same quests day after day no matter what it was for. I got by fine without them and I played on and off about 5 years.

Not sure why, but I could play BG's for hours.

Probably the same reason I use to play Unreal Tournament, Enemy Territory, etc for hours at a time, day after day.

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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#154 - 2013-10-29 02:11:44 UTC
Gerald Sphinx wrote:
the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded


This is why you have happy slappy mmo's around with not a hint of imagination in letting players take control.
Rekon X
Doomheim
#155 - 2013-10-29 02:37:50 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
Gerald Sphinx wrote:
the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded


This is why you have happy slappy mmo's around with not a hint of imagination in letting players take control.


This is where number 8 above shines.

8. You will find that the average wow forum poster is more flexible, intelligent and articulate than the idiot lot that tends to post in EVEs forums, i was absolutely stunned by this when i first started reading and posting on the EVE forums.

It is very true.

Elitist Jerks, Tankspot, Wowhead to name a few. There are many.

Eve you get HTFU, GTFO. Intelligence just spews from this place.

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#156 - 2013-10-29 03:07:58 UTC
I've got at least 1000 hours in both games ... and hundreds in others too (i played 250 games of Dota 2 in August.. how many hours is that? --- damn those CivV games take a long time... WoT.. did i really grind for those lvl 10 russian tanks without premium ? lol)..

They are both MMO's just as Monopoly and Risk are both board games. But comparing Monopoly to Risk would be very difficult, wouldn't it?

I really think the games are too different to be compared in broad ways. The most clear difference is that WoW is 95% a PVE game even on PvP servers (not much PvP in those instances.. a little while questing depending on your server and what time of day you play).

WoW does have an active PvP community but that out of realm PvP is really more like rounds of a console game than it is an MMO.

Certainly elements of the games can be compared. You can talk about the type of PvP... vs PvP in EVE (as I just began to) You can talk about the economy where 90% of the BIS stuff is BOP in WoW .. starkly different from everything being tradeable.. nothing bindable in EVE.

Well I can go on.

The two just aren't the same Genre.... I'm actually hesitant to call WoW and MMO anymore.... with all its shards, all of its phasing in quest areas.. all of its instanced content that is cross realm or un invadable by others not in the instance group.. I really wouldn't call it an MMO>. but.. there really aren't many MMOs anymore (text MUDs never had instanced dugneons.. tand TextMuds were where MMO's sprang from and the intitial definiton of the games)

.. very very few games are in EVE's genre ... I realy haven't found any tbh .. i guess perpetuum was.

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#157 - 2013-10-29 03:18:49 UTC
Don't get how EvE players think they are any different than WoW players. It is all about risk reward with very few players taking a risk in either game. Look at the killmails in EvE. Oh another 50 mill SP player station gamed a 100k SP player. Woot! Oh an 8 man gang just jumped a freighter! Yowza. And that is in between Catalyst, Catalyst, Catalyst, Catalyst....

There is a statue on one server on WoW where a guild held off all comers to prevent the completion of a live event. Emergent gameplay?

Full disclosure, played WoW a month and was done with it. But I see no reason to say one game is better than another. If you enjoy your game great. If not, play another one. If someone else enjoys another game, good for them and it shouldn't have any effect on you enjoying yours.
Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#158 - 2013-10-29 04:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Ramlrez
Each part will be right and wrong. WoW and EVE are two different species of the same kind.


WoW has its appeal if you like a fantasy world where you are a hero and have a world with a huge lore to make your story into.


EVE is more like real life. No one will hold your hand, the sky is not blue and there are no flowers to smell in a sunny day. It's basically Blade Runner in space. Evil, Darkness and very little hope of bright days.


Both games are good and that's the reason they are the remaining subscription MMORPGs alive in the market (alongside FF11).

Of course they are not perfect games but EVE, imho, has potential to keep a player interested for much more time than WoW. Of course the player that joins EVE has to be patient to learn the ropes and have a thicker skin to survive ultimate online griefing, but it also rewards the survivors with a more believeable/immersive world. The freedom of being what you want and doing what you want is what makes EVE this gem.


I got enough of hero in shining armor MMORPG types. The combat system in WoW and its clones is the most boring thing ever created. Crafting is dull, and minigames are made for people with low IQ. I never managed t stay in Wow more than 2 months.


Eve imo is also a much healthier game to play. The offline training system is essencial to make players be able to not play the game sometimes.


The grind in Wow is as harmful to players as alcohol and other drugs. The daily quests and the necessity to be always playing the game to keep up with gear that has vertical progression, makes Wow perfect for players that have loads of time to play games per day. Unemployed adults living with their parents, immature lonely adults, kids and teenagers, housewifes, retired people or people with severe disabilities that can't work and are protected somehow by the law through social security.


Oh and theres another thing i hate in Wow and love in EVE. Revenge is for real.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2013-10-29 05:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
I don't really think it's a good comparision tbh. Why aren't we comparing EVE with, say, Minecraft? Would show a lot of holes in both games' gameplay which would actually be useful to fill Big smile

Rekon X wrote:
What I like is the ignorant ones that are bashing the last expansion with introducing pandas, when they really came from warcraft 3, not WOW.

http://classic.battle.net/war3/pandaren/

Tbh all the rage and derp isn't about Blizz "making up stuff and squeezing it into the world", as you've shown that they were there since TFT. Thing is, I (and perhaps others) believe that some parts of the lore are better to leave as something more like legend (for the lack of better word in my vocabulary). It's like taking enigmatic Jovians and making them into your average dudes at best and rats at worst by introducing them into the actual EVE. That'd feel kinda the same, I think.

Speaking of WOW, I played it quite a bit. I wouldn't go back to it at this point, but I feel nostalgic about its world (and tbh about that period in my life overall as well P ). It was quite beautiful at the time (if you are into that sort of things).

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ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#160 - 2013-10-29 06:18:03 UTC
Ah this topic again, again, again...sorry i was just reminiscing

The fact that WoW and Eve are totally and completely different means you cant really compare. Its a little pointless trying to have this argument on Eve forums as well. However I actually really like WoW, its fun its immersive, its got that real fantasy feel, where i think Eve really lacks that in space immersive feeling to be honest. I prefer the WoW type of levelling as well, i believe you should learn how to use something and get better at it buy actually using it, rather than insta train something and poof there it is.

People from WoW do play eve, and the ones that dont, isnt because they want easy mode its because they dont like eve, simple fact. Actually thats a stupid statement. People who say that havent played WoW. Have you played in the battlefields, fought in the bigger battles and skirmishes and dungeons? Being killed by 10 people, its just the same as eve but in space ships. People still camp death point areas and kill you, people at a higher level still come into your area and kill you, the only difference is you dont lose everything.

Eve players think that eve is the holy grail of MMO and because you dont play it, then its because you are scared to. lol. There are a lot of problems with eve, that eve players think make the game, when infact for others stop them playing. Hence we eve continues to struggle to keep new players and has done for many years now.

Eve players remind me of Linux nerds, and WoW players like Microsoft users. Microsoft makes some great products but no matter what , Linux nerds will always hate Microsoft, when secretly they actually like it. Linux will never be as popular as Microsoft but yet Linux guys will always say its better, when infact its has its on major flaws.