EVE General Discussion

So apparently this is "impossible" but ..

So which is it? Can I exist as branch corps to avoid your stupid wardec barriers, or not?
I've previously been in corps who have had separate corps split out from the main corp for logistics reasons (training, probational corps, highsec POS corps) and it's incredibly viable. Even if it's "awkward" it is STILL a realistic solution to being wardecced. Do you think anyone would run 20 shell corporations just to make being wardecced harder? Eve-uni are. Never underestimate the bear who wants to bear.

What if my victory conditions are destruction of a highsec POS .. what then? Does the war HAVE to continue until I accomplish this? Do I need to do it in a set time frame?
What if I am a nullsec entity who needs a long term, goal-free wardec on my opponents, to ensure aggression in lowsec without gateguns, or to chase them through highsec ... what then?

Your plan is full of problems, because you're looking at it ONLY from the point of view of a highsec carebear wanting to avoid any harm. There don't need to be reasons to war in a ******* PVP game.

The poor defenceless little nooblets should be in an NPC corp if they still want their hand to be held. Otherwise they should HTFU. I don't see new competitors in the real world getting magical shields from the wallmart Juggernaut , do you?

I suggested that also on my blog if there was no way to fix the system. I would prefer to have it fixed since it does have value when used for it's original intention. Contrary to Khanh'rhh's last comment, I'm not looking to make high-sec space war-free. I want a system that works and is fair to both the agressor and defender, which I also stressed in my blog.

The problem is your use of the word GRIEF. Your definition for it is much different than other peoples. Thus you are inserting your own prejudices into a solution.

You do not get to define what the goal of a war for someone else is.

If some corp, for instance, has rules that force their members to dock up when wardecced, then perhaps my goal is to force them into station, laugh at them, and watch as their stations fill up with tears. That's perfectly legitimate goal.

As Vulpina pointed out, the fact we have high-sec and CONCORD means we have players who want the choice when to fight and not to fight.. Why else does the majority of players reside in highsec? Why else is CCP musing over the idea to redistribute valuable minerals and T2 tech to lowsec? Why else would people even consider corporation hopping? Why else would people use alts in a time of war, or temporarily leave a corporation to join an NPC one (as was the case with my corporation during our WARDEC)?

There will always be non-consensual PVP in-game and in high-sec. In all the times I've been podded and my ship blown up, it was in high-sec, mining of all things, and never during a WARDEC. What I'm proposing is not going to change that for those out there that sill want to shoot on sight.

Someone said a brilliant line in this thread that describes the mentality of people who are not PVPers: You can lead someone to a fight, but you can't get them to fight. And that number of players is growing. The demographics of the playerbase is moving towards a PVE mindset, and Incarna was the first example of that. The WARDEC system redefinition down the road will also reflect that.

You are tarring a group with a single brush and you know it. Some may in fact want to fight but on their terms. Why else would people be asking in Rens local for 1v1 PVP using a jetcan? It's not as black and white as you are making it to be.

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=1293
I'm also against the lack of danger and the awful boring times when you are just chugging along and nothing threatens you.
-CCP Oveur

http://eve-search.com/thread/528360/page/1#29
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
-CCP Wrangler

Those two quotes no longer apply to this game. Tell Oveur we miss him.

You cannot own a POS in an NPC corporation. There are certain items/structures in this game, that to own them, you cannot and should not be able to hide from PvP, from people who want to disrupt, or take those toys from you.

I'm sorry but these rules were in place to deter alliance hopping, we know the GMs with existing workloads would be unable to deal with it efficiently, but that fact that it was considered an exploit deterred people from doing it.

Players and player corporations should not be condoned for using meta game techniques to avoid in game combat. Which is exactly what you are doing.

You've no plan or method laid out for us to read and digest on how you intend to address it and the worse part is, you CLEARLY understand that the war dec mechanics are flawed, but it appears you've just rolled over and gone "well that's the way it's going to be till we can be bothered to look at it, oh and while were at it we'll lighten our ticket system a little"

It seems you've not thought this through at all, perhaps you should go back and read that dev blog posted the last time you stopped listening.

I'm going to address your comments in one post, to keep the number of pages to a minimum.

I never said CONCORD was there to protect. I know as well as everyone it's there to punish the agressor. And while you are correct in saying we consent to the risks of being WARDECced it does not mean we are forced in one, or not form a corporation. It is possible to run a corporation and still avoid PVP in a WARDEC. I'll get to that later.


I agree. POSes require a player corporation and unless you defend it, it will get destroyed. Smaller corporations that cannot afford one do not have that concern, but it is a moot point. I'm talking about player PVP.


Now this is just silly. If I refuse to fight you in a hypothetical WARDEC situation, it does not prevent you from PVPing. If you catch me, you can still shoot me. Even if the WARDEC scenerio does not exist, you can still blast my Minmatar butt to bits any time, regardless of whether I am in highsec or not, corporation or not. There is no safe place in EVE Online, and my refusal to partake in a WARDEC skirmish does not give me some sort of debuff or nullifier. It's nothing more than choice, my choice, without affecting your own right to choose.

You say no player should be able to avoid PVP. Since when? We've allowed to create alts, whether in the same account, or under a new one. Corporations have been voluntary memberships for as long as I remember so it's not like deserting your post in the army if you leave. This means if you don't want to be a part of a corporation under a WARDEC, you have the right to leave to join another or come back when the smoke clears. You can even decide, if you like, to take a holiday from EVE Online and come back later after the WARDEC is done. I'll never see a situation come around where you are somehow locked in or forced to partake in a WARDEC PVP. That's even more unworkable than the current WARDEC mechanism is right now.

Any update from CCP yet?



Make a thread about it in features and ideas.