Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is the 37th cloak thread I have responded to. And once again it is just as bad as before.

No.

You cannot carebear with immunity.

Cloaking is DESIGNED to be completely invisible. It is camoflauge, not a shield of invincibility.

If you want to stop an AFK cloaker... then you MUST go on the offensive and actively hunt them.

This is what smart bombs and stealth bombers are good for... both are area of effect weapons.

You fly a battleship with multiple smart bombs out to each point in the solar system one after the next, and then you warp back in on that points line at varying distances and pop your smart bombs. If the cloaker is anywhere in the range of your smarts... you kill him.

If that would have actually solved it in a balanced way, they would have already done it.

They have rejected this by default, already.

Balance Ideas:
-Give the probe a max AU range between 2-4AU that way you cant blanket scan it.
-Allow it to be strong enough to detect the ship type but never the ships exact location. This means you should only be able to get a red dot.

The idea with this solution is to let you know that someone is there. It full fills your paranoia and then you get to make the decision if you want to take the risk.

Good lord I'm tired of hearing the words "perfect intel" from the same group of people in every single AFK cloak thread. Local exists, it exists by design, it's existed for a long time and that's unlikely to change.

And while yes, the reason people can see a cloaker is there is local, and removing local would remove the ability to see them, this does NOT mean it's the cause OR that it's the only fix. It's the equivalent of getting rid of your monitor to block an unwanted popup. Sure, the popup can only annoy you because the monitor shows it, and removing the monitor really does solve the issue, but it's not the cause and not the only fix.

Just remember: Correlation does not imply causation.

Erm yes, I know, there are other solutions. That was my point.
And no, not using my monitor is like getting rid of local. If I were docked, I can still see the cloaker is there (you know local doesn't disappear while docked right?).

You are some special level of genius. But thanks for supporting my point.

Its pointless arguing with people about this subject. Clearly if you tell a bunch of people that have spent hours skilling for that perfect nitch ship they love, they will go all stupid if its going to get nerfed. Ridiculous counter arguments are brought up out of complete desperation.

Just telling a neutral observer all the benefits cloaked ships bring and how there isn't a clear counter for it shows how extremely broken it is. Anyone in a neutral stance would say cloaking is imbalanced but most often all the cloaked nagging are the ones that have a bias view of it.

Sadly CCP just ignores all the outcry. Dono why they don't want to at least try and hotfix the problem with any small fix. Till they some day decide to pick it up we just all have to give into the glory of AFK cloaking and do what ever asshat out there does. Find a cloaker we like and then afk in it like everyone else and there dog does nowdays.

Provi will die completely because we have literally a hot dropper in 1/5 of the systems here. It's fine and dandy for people in like -0.8 where a red showing up is a once a day thing. It's a once every 15 mins thing here. If you are so insistent on changing local in null sec then why not take it out in True sec where people are making their cozy billions. We are fine in providence with the amount of cloakies we have at the moment, thanks.

1. Bling PvE ships? Yeah, more often than in high sec, you will see them in null. High sec will suicide gank those the moment they become cost effective to attack.
As to security, there is more involved with claiming to have security, than anchoring a POS or having an outpost in system.
If so-called AFK Cloaking pilots have an easy time getting in, your security is not effective enough to be ignored past that gate camp. Every pilot needs to compensate for this failure by fitting defensively.
Complaining on the forums about how you don't want to fit defensively, because your gate camps are not up to muster, that's just sad.

2. Of course rewards would be enhanced. You may not have noticed, but the fact you can compare rewards between high and null indicates they are close to each other in risk.
Moon goo is profitable because a POS cannot simply get safe when hostile names appears in local. It stays put.
W space is not null minus local. Local fails to be the defining difference here except to people not familiar with it.
Hint; It is not called "No-Local" space, but Wormhole, for a reason.....
Part of the reason wormhole space has no local, is that they learned from their mistakes in other areas.

3. Of course cloaking is broken. The expression "locked out" would also apply.
Suggesting it is overpowered implies the devs have not balanced it. Noone knows more about the game than the actual devs, so that argument falls flat immediately.
Noone in EVE is cloaked, because part of being cloaked implies being undetected. Local eliminates that for free.
But, we use the term cloaked, to mean "unscannable", and not visible in general.

As to having or not having a counter, game mechanics which directly produce no effect do not require one.
My simply logging out has no counter. If I should do so in a way that avoids a risk I brought upon myself, that invokes one.
My simply docking in an outpost has no counter. If I should have a hostilities timer, the outpost can keep me out till it expires. That is also a counter.
But for those counters to exist, I have to take an action. I had to either expose myself to PvP, or go where I am unwelcome.

Cloaking is already self limited, and requires no external counter. You cannot fire weapons, for most ships you cannot even warp.
You are no threat to others so long as that cloak is running. That is quite an effective counter, all things considered.
Playing word games and implying threat to include things you might do in the future, well, that's disingenuous.
You wouldn't be cloaked then, now would you...

Also cloaked ships don't need to fire there weapons when cloaked. Its not as if they could decloak and attack at any point in time they would deem fitting. Clearly anyone with half a brain knows to d-scan and scope out the situation before engaging. The fact your implying they are harmless is just sad. No other type of ship in eve gives you the option of guaranteeing a save kill like a cover-ops cloaking ship. You clearly must have flown anything but a cov-ops attack ship. You realize you don't actually engage unless you know its a safe kill right? Cloaked attackers don't decloak in middle of a fleet and start ganking a miner.

Also no, I don't think CCP have balanced cloaking or both of us wouldn't be in this part of the forum. What exactly are you implying, CCP are some masterful game artists that haven't done a single mistake in balancing cloaking? You do realize that cloaking doesn't have an actual counter right? being visible in local is not a counter as it still leaves the ship in a invulnerable state in space. They should infact rename it to the invulnerability module and add a label on top saying they wont ever fix cause its countered by local, except they haven't gotten around to adding the feature where you can get killed via local yet.