EVE General Discussion

There is no difference to somer blink in terms how you'd cash out. I'd even argue that it's better, because on Somer you have 100% chance of cashing out on a GTC giving 200m Credits. If you buy all tickets, after Blinks 25% cut, you'll get ~150m ISK ingame. On the proposed Nyx lottery you'd have a 0.5% chance of getting ingame stuff (on 1 GTC).

Somer of course is a hugely successful business, being philantrophic with the massive ISK they're earning from EVE pilots. You could argue that they're providing a service to the community while I'm would not have (if I had ran the lottery, which I wasn't going to). Does that mean they are allowed to RMT while others are not? In my opinion everyone can provide ingame incentives for affiliate links or no one can, thats the basis of the sandbox - that everyone has the same chances as everyone else.

Somer is a player. You can't forbid incentives to players and then also allow them to selected players, because the game is advertized as a sandbox aka everyone has the same chances and possibilities. CCP playing favourites and having special rules for some part of the ingame population goes against everything EVE stands for.

Simple example: Let's assume Blink was in fact owned by The Mittani :tinfoil: Would you be cool with CCP giving Goons hundreds of billions of ISK in special ingame items, allowing them to even make real life money, while no one else can? Why should CCP then be able to do that to Somer?

I'm pretty sure no one argued that it was ok for CCP to give special ingame items and favouritism to BOB, and CCP giving special ingame items and favouritsm to Blink are 2 sides of the same coin.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".

CCP has made it pretty clear they will not answer any direct questions about this, at least not until they can figure out some convoluted way to spin it to be positive for players. So, enjoy your upcoming survey and locked threads, and keep buying PLEX!

Amazon's mistake, not CCP's. And you don't correct a mistake by making the same mistake again. Let it go.

Hi! The proposed Nyx lottery was my idea, to add value to the discussion and to understand whats allowed and what is not.

I basically tried to be as close to Blink as possible. To be *exactly* like blink I'd also have had to allow people to buy tickets for ISK, let's say 300m per ticket. Not that it matters, because people wouldn't buy those, as they're too expensive. Buy hey, how large the cut is is my business, Blink does 25%, I can propose 50% (like real life lotteries do). It certainly does not play a role in the EULA/TOS.

Unfortunately for your experiment, this is actually the critical point. You MUST allow people to buy tickets with ISK in addition to the GTC affiliate link clicking if you want to properly replicate Blink and prove the hypocrisy in CCP's response.

The key issue has always been that what Blink is doing is considered merely a bonus "incentive" to their primary purpose of running an in-game ISK/lottery system. Buying the GTC to participate in Blink is 100% optional. This Nyx lottery, on the other hand, REQUIRES buying a GTC which suddenly makes the GTC/RMT aspect the primary purpose.

Either allow people to buy tickets to the Nyx lottery with in-game ISK, or get TOS'd like every other half-assed doesn't-quite-get-it attempt to point out the double standard.

Don't be daft, everyone can buy from amazon.com as long as you have a credit card. It's totally possible for non-US residents to buy on amazon.com.

Don't be daft, everyone can buy from amazon.com as long as you have a credit card. It's totally possible for non-US residents to buy on amazon.com.

To buy digital items on amazon.com you need a US postal address. Nowhere does it say it has to be a valid address though ;)
The above also applies to amazon.de, which had the same 6 plex deal.