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A solution to Incursion Drama / With the added element of emergent game content.
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#21 - 2013-10-27 07:09:31 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
OP, I did get your point and my reply was sarcastic, but the bottom line can be boiled down to a very important rule that's not exclusive to Eve at all;

Don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

If the only way you can make money, or if the best way you can make money is ONLY flying incursions, you have created a very one dimensional character. It's not harassment if they pop the Mom. I used to think it was until I realized how much money I was passing up by flying incursions in the first place.

This times 1000,

Invest a few days of Incursion income in the market, you might find it interesting if not always profitable.
Add 6 planets worth of PI to your toon, not always profitable but certainly a brain exercise.
Run missions for the 4 Arc Entry corps ( Expert Distribution, Brutor, Ministry of Internal order, Impetus) Standing of 5.0 opens each Arc.
Drop a POS when you get standings, To make some invention BP's (Ammo, T2 ships, T2 modules, ect.)
Run the individual Cosmos chains (not all at once it will tank the standings of others if not done concurrently).
Incursions is not the only PVE in EVE the list goes on and on.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-10-27 08:05:41 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
[quote=Cipher Jones]Run missions for the 4 Arc Entry corps ( Expert Distribution, Brutor, Ministry of Internal order, Impetus) Standing of 5.0 opens each Arc.


Don't forget the two pirate arcs, and the low sec branches of some of the arcs where you can side with the pirates (do the Amar arc and side with Sansha for a change!)
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#23 - 2013-10-27 08:16:12 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
[quote=Cipher Jones]Run missions for the 4 Arc Entry corps ( Expert Distribution, Brutor, Ministry of Internal order, Impetus) Standing of 5.0 opens each Arc.


Don't forget the two pirate arcs, and the low sec branches of some of the arcs where you can side with the pirates (do the Amar arc and side with Sansha for a change!)

Actually if I really think about how much PVE content there is in Eve compared to the PVP content the list is extremely one sided. And of course die-hard PVP'ers say 'Eve is a PVP game' but realistically by comparison of content it's a 'PVE game that you can PVP in.'

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#24 - 2013-10-27 23:51:48 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
[quote=Cipher Jones]Run missions for the 4 Arc Entry corps ( Expert Distribution, Brutor, Ministry of Internal order, Impetus) Standing of 5.0 opens each Arc.


Don't forget the two pirate arcs, and the low sec branches of some of the arcs where you can side with the pirates (do the Amar arc and side with Sansha for a change!)

Actually if I really think about how much PVE content there is in Eve compared to the PVP content the list is extremely one sided. And of course die-hard PVP'ers say 'Eve is a PVP game' but realistically by comparison of content it's a 'PVE game that you can PVP in.'


The only part of the game that's not PvP is the login phase, and even then it can be PvP if you have a keylogger in your computer.

The Tears Must Flow
GreenSeed
#25 - 2013-10-28 04:19:40 UTC
this is eve, problems between players are supposed to be solved with pew pew... just make incursion deadspace have no highsec rules.

problem fixed.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#26 - 2013-10-28 05:50:22 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
this is eve, problems between players are supposed to be solved with pew pew... just make incursion deadspace have no highsec rules.

problem fixed.



0/10

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Rolstra
Moo's Mudpit
#27 - 2013-10-28 06:26:19 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
this is eve, problems between players are supposed to be solved with pew pew... just make incursion deadspace have no highsec rules.

problem fixed.

Yep that's right up there with the Features and Ideals submission

Quote:
A module that when fitted permanently sets Safety green and when activated make your structure have 100% resists to Non-NPC damage.
Ronix Aideron
Zymurgy Corp.
#28 - 2013-10-28 11:47:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronix Aideron
As a part-time Incursion runner I find this drama funny. So the HS MOM is popped shortly after it is spawned, only the risk adverse care bears are the ones whining.

Take those same chat channels and try to form a LS Incursion fleet. It takes forever and the whole time they will complain about the lack of Incursion money. Yes, you can't take your shiney ships into LS but, you can run them in T1 ships just fine.

The Low Sec Incursions pay more. So if they take a little bit longer (more than 6 mins) then you are about even in a ship that costs less than some of the officer mods they already fly with.

P.S. - Some people need to go read the book Who Moved My Cheese.

Start the day off slow and taper off from there.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#29 - 2013-10-28 15:06:38 UTC
Quote:
As a part-time Incursion runner I find this drama funny. So the HS MOM is popped shortly after it is spawned, only the risk adverse care bears are the ones whining.


Only risk averse carebears run HS incursions, so clearly they are the only ones whining.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-10-28 15:30:17 UTC
Ronix Aideron wrote:
As a part-time Incursion runner I find this drama funny. So the HS MOM is popped shortly after it is spawned, only the risk adverse care bears are the ones whining.

Take those same chat channels and try to form a LS Incursion fleet. It takes forever and the whole time they will complain about the lack of Incursion money. Yes, you can't take your shiney ships into LS but, you can run them in T1 ships just fine.

The Low Sec Incursions pay more. So if they take a little bit longer (more than 6 mins) then you are about even in a ship that costs less than some of the officer mods they already fly with.

P.S. - Some people need to go read the book Who Moved My Cheese.



Well said.

For some people NO risk of loss acceptable. I remember a couple weeks ago the only high sec incursion involved a single jump through a low sec system and damn near no one went to it to run it. I went there just incase one of the communities I fly with was going to run it. I fit a cloak, mwd , inertia stab and some warp core stabs to my mach.....and didn't need them because the low sec system was totally empty lol.

I did manage a few VGs with a pick up group (even FC'd a few sites as the guy FCing over eve-voice had to go afk for a few minutes), but that was iT and with high influence it wasn't really worth it.

The aversion to risks in this game is insane. It's just a game.
Eaphod
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-10-28 16:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Eaphod
Jenn aSide wrote:
The aversion to risks in this game is insane. It's just a game.


The biggest reason for so many having such a risk averse attitude (myself included) is probably due to the fact that every loss is quantifiable (that is, currently even a 1.2b isk ship is worth ~2 months of play time). Every ship/item has a real value which is a very unique aspect of the game.

A lot of incursion DPS/Sniper ships are easily in the 2b to 3b range, with some exceeding that (which is why incursions attract Hurricane gank fleets). Even for someone who runs incursions consistently, that kind of loss would knock out a lot of time spent.

I personally don't blame them for being so cautious.
Ronix Aideron
Zymurgy Corp.
#32 - 2013-10-28 19:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronix Aideron
I understand that you would not bring the bling outside of High Sec. Riddle me this.

Why can't these rich players throw together 60Million ISK and run the LS vanguard sites? That is the part that makes this funny to me. Whine and moan about not having Incursions for ISK but, just a few jumps away you can get Incursion money and with less risk since the ships are not 2 Billion Officer Fits.

Start the day off slow and taper off from there.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#33 - 2013-10-28 22:57:31 UTC
Ronix Aideron wrote:
The Low Sec Incursions pay more.


Just to remind you: you are suggesting LS incursions precisely because nobody can kills moms there (there were two attempts in Friday and Sunday). HS LP add ~30% to earnings and effectively "neutralize" 40% money difference between LS and HS incursions.

Considering people have to use cheaper ships for LS it takes much more time (~1.5x more) for fleets to finish sites so basically LS incursions are less profitable than HS.
SkyMarshaller
SkyMarshaller Corp
#34 - 2013-10-29 04:25:20 UTC
There is a simple solution to the so-called incursion drama - get over it!

As a part-time incursion runner (more so because I'm an Aussie & I won't fly with "kitchen sink" fleets), I can only get to the occaisonal incursion site these days. Quite often lately the Mom gets popped before I even get there, so I do a bit of wasted travelling. Not a big deal.

As several other people have said there are lots of other things to do in the wide world of EvE, many of which are more proftable (if you're solely concentrating on the ISK per hour thing). All said & done, this is a game & it should be fun. If someone exercising their right to kill a Mom causes you grief then perhaps you're not looking at the big picture.
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-10-30 17:22:49 UTC
SkyMarshaller wrote:
There is a simple solution to the so-called incursion drama - get over it!



or if you dont like something do something about it. people popping moms too fast for your liking? simple solution. put a stop to it. with force if necessary.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#36 - 2013-10-30 18:14:12 UTC
fuer0n wrote:
SkyMarshaller wrote:
There is a simple solution to the so-called incursion drama - get over it!



or if you dont like something do something about it. people popping moms too fast for your liking? simple solution. put a stop to it. with force if necessary.

MOM Repping fleets would be hilarious.
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-10-30 18:46:02 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
fuer0n wrote:
SkyMarshaller wrote:
There is a simple solution to the so-called incursion drama - get over it!



or if you dont like something do something about it. people popping moms too fast for your liking? simple solution. put a stop to it. with force if necessary.

MOM Repping fleets would be hilarious.



lle maer to bach na......^^


that is not what i meant
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#38 - 2013-10-30 18:54:06 UTC
fuer0n wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
fuer0n wrote:
SkyMarshaller wrote:
There is a simple solution to the so-called incursion drama - get over it!



or if you dont like something do something about it. people popping moms too fast for your liking? simple solution. put a stop to it. with force if necessary.

MOM Repping fleets would be hilarious.



lle maer to bach na......^^


that is not what i meant

I suppose you meant bring a gank fleet and kill them before they kill the mom...

Next time I have 150 to 400 Nado alts I will try that. :)

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Morwennon
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#39 - 2013-10-31 18:49:47 UTC
Simple solution: since CONCORD cannot cope with the Sansha invasion, they will not respond to capsuleer distress calls from inside incursion sites.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-10-31 19:14:33 UTC
Morwennon wrote:
Simple solution: since CONCORD cannot cope with the Sansha invasion, they will not respond to capsuleer distress calls from inside incursion sites.


It's not like the lore of incursion is that they ask capsulers to do the cleanup because they only have enough ressource to provide standard security measure which would technically include concodokenning criminals.
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