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New Raven Skin - Vote and commentary

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#21 - 2011-11-17 22:51:59 UTC
new model was made to accomidate new goals of the design.

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#22 - 2011-11-17 23:31:56 UTC
CCP Vertex wrote:
The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.



Thanks for the feedback, appreciated, one other thing though, could Marauders also have some differences to the model from the standard theme (i.e Raven model) rather than just a paint job ?

Cheers

Tal

Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#23 - 2011-11-18 00:24:53 UTC
CCP Vertex wrote:
The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.


I have checked it out and I noted something - since running TQ and SISI back to back here - why does the interior of the hangars on SISI look like they are washed out and full of smoke.... that is part of the issue I think.

Second the ship looks good, but I think the issue is that it has these wide areas that are lacking detail and the contrast of the grays on the hull are lacking - it still looks washed out.

Being such a large ship I think that it needs some detailing on the panels and more contrast - darker and lighter areas to make it look not like a model painted buy a 12 year old... it has that look of being painted out of the bottel so to speak.
Arzi Taila
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-11-18 02:13:55 UTC
The model and its design are great, the texture however is too low resolution and looks pretty blurry. Especially at the bottom front structure sticking out of the hull, it's just a mess down there.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#25 - 2011-11-18 02:42:24 UTC
I really like all of the new visual updates (this is for all ships, not just raven line)

However, my one gripe is that for a lot of the caldari ships, all of the icons look identical between all variants. Telling for example a rook and falcon in your hangar apart is quite difficult now unless you show info. I don't mind the really dark camos that caldari now has, but a least a little more brightness on the icons or something would be nice
Loni Elahhez
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-11-18 03:44:45 UTC
CCP Vertex wrote:
check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.


guress textures only :)

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Adrodius
Old Ass Gamers
#27 - 2011-11-18 05:29:41 UTC
I'm happy with it :)
Tivookz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-11-18 09:14:46 UTC
Why CCP decided to keep the old Raven model ( the ugliest model after Moa ) is beyond me.

I still think the Raven model should have gotten a complete remake.

Also, why is it acceptable in EVE to re-use stuff?

Just as an example the new game COD:MW3 had some buildings in it that existed in the predecessor MW: Black ops.

People raged about it etc.

However, everytime CCP decide to release a new "expansion" (yes, they refer to it as expansions) containing "new" ships it's not seldom an old ship with a new skin.

Black ops ships come to mind.

So does: Marauders, navy/tribal/fleet/etc editions, deep space transports, interceptors, exhumers and.. oh wait, almost every T2 ship out there.

It's bullshit.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-11-18 09:27:46 UTC
I find the new Raven model "Just fine". I mean, it's still a Raven, it won't become OMAHGAD SO GORGEOUS, but it still looks fine now :)

(And the new textures are icing on the cake, it looks even better :D)

And that makes me think about training for Caldari ships after the winter expension.
Edey
#30 - 2011-11-18 10:52:35 UTC
Wish Raven was symmetrical, just like Scorp.
When Scorp was remade I just thought "WOW, That's uber cool" Want that feeling on a raven too.
Sellendis
The Ares project
#31 - 2011-11-18 11:05:24 UTC
I really hoped new raven would look like this
Linkage

At least it had symmetry and the color was nice.
New raven is still butt-ugly, back of the ship is reworked but overall its still a ship no matter how much you improve the textures, its stays ugly.
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#32 - 2011-11-18 14:20:43 UTC
Sellendis wrote:
I really hoped new raven would look like this
Linkage

At least it had symmetry and the color was nice.
New raven is still butt-ugly, back of the ship is reworked but overall its still a ship no matter how much you improve the textures, its stays ugly.


Yeah I saw a link for that in the general forums, I knew it was fake at the time, but I agree if they could just mirror the darn wings I would be quiet happy. Instead it looks malformed and unbalanced as it is now.

Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
#33 - 2011-11-18 14:35:52 UTC
I like the new model and textures, reminds me of the original, and unlike the new font, isn't a step backwards.


Just a shame they needed to murder the Scorp with symmetry! Cry
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#34 - 2011-11-18 14:40:59 UTC
Tivookz wrote:
Why CCP decided to keep the old Raven model ( the ugliest model after Moa ) is beyond me.

I still think the Raven model should have gotten a complete remake.

Also, why is it acceptable in EVE to re-use stuff?

Just as an example the new game COD:MW3 had some buildings in it that existed in the predecessor MW: Black ops.

People raged about it etc.

However, everytime CCP decide to release a new "expansion" (yes, they refer to it as expansions) containing "new" ships it's not seldom an old ship with a new skin.

Black ops ships come to mind.

So does: Marauders, navy/tribal/fleet/etc editions, deep space transports, interceptors, exhumers and.. oh wait, almost every T2 ship out there.

It's bullshit.



+1 Please don't keep re-using the same models, and where you have can you start bringing in new models or at least changes beyond a paint job.
Razin
The Scope
#35 - 2011-11-18 14:56:45 UTC
I always liked the Raven model (except for small details like that small 'cockpit' out front). It's got just the right kind of asymmetry that prevents it from being boring, which ever side you look at it from. As opposed to the old Scorp, that had asymmetry that made you cringe (though the new Scorp is too symmetrical IMO).

The new and improved Raven is just right. It looks like a mean and scary military machine, all angles but still streamlined, with all that good asymmetry preserved. Those small details that bothered me have been fixed. Excellent job!

Too bad that because of the nature of it's weapon system its mostly used by pve scrubs. Oh well...
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#36 - 2011-11-18 14:59:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
CCP Vertex wrote:
The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.



Just took a look at the newer model. all I can see changed is you have add some more paint to engines, wing tips and such? totally underwhelmed if that's the considerable work carried out this week. sigh : ( maybe as you designed the model CCP where do the missiles come from on the Raven)


Why have the main engines on a got an identical scratch going down the outside ? Ship asymmetrical, damage symmetrical ? its accross all the Raven copy models.



Tal
Gecko O'Bac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-11-18 16:54:11 UTC
At the very least they should make the left wing proportionate with the right one... Even ignoring the (as it has been described) tumor-like growth underneath the right wing, the left wing is much smaller than the right one. Even keeping the different angle and the naked wing, a resizing of the left wing, both in length and in width, would go a long way towards satisfying the eye.

As it is, it seems our Raven got his left wing torn out while in a fight with a cat...
Edey
#38 - 2011-11-18 17:16:40 UTC
Gecko O'Bac wrote:
At the very least they should make the left wing proportionate with the right one... Even ignoring the (as it has been described) tumor-like growth underneath the right wing, the left wing is much smaller than the right one. Even keeping the different angle and the naked wing, a resizing of the left wing, both in length and in width, would go a long way towards satisfying the eye.

As it is, it seems our Raven got his left wing torn out while in a fight with a cat...


+100000*10

Also raven's center is off.
Gecko O'Bac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-11-18 17:18:32 UTC
Razin wrote:
The new and improved Raven is just right. It looks like a mean and scary military machine, all angles but still streamlined, with all that good asymmetry preserved. Those small details that bothered me have been fixed. Excellent job!


Sorry, but a mean and scary military machine, while looking asymmetrical, must be something like these examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Nimitz_in_Victoria_Canada_036.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T-90_Bhisma_cropped.jpg

And, well, that's it... I could hardly find anything else even remotely asymmetrical if not for similar reasons to those two examples. At most the asymmetry is in VERY SMALL details, kinda like the sensor pods on aircrafts or on vehicles, or something like that.

Now, I understand there are people that like asymmetry (which is an aberrance imho, since even physic laws like symmetry.), but when asymmetry is both completely senseless and ugly, then it must be at least stepped down a notch.
Caiman Graystock
Starways Congress
#40 - 2011-11-18 17:36:28 UTC
The new Raven model is just fine. I am very pleased CCP aren't just going down the road of making every Caldari ship symmetrical. What the Raven needed was some refinement to its classic shape and style and that is what was recognised and applied. The new model is great, I am hopping onto SiSi now to check out these latest textures.