EVE General Discussion

-TB comes from cramped conditions and fecal matter, and is water-borne. Was widespread pre modern-era due to poor sewage in settlements.
-Humanity didn't have to form complex society, we were perfectly happy as hunter-gatherers and farmers. People DECIDED they will form towns and cities and "suffer".

See the point I'm getting at? Sov is a necessary evil and, just like the side effects of humanity's necessary evils, needs to be worked at to be improved.

To make fewer people attack the pos, have the tower obtain the energy its hit with and once every 1 min, it shoots a beam with that amount of damage. If damage is too high, it instapops a ship because of the raw damage it fires. Very raw idea, but could be worked on

The problem with sov, and the major reason why it's such a tricky thing for CCP to have to consider, is that it's pretty binary.

Either you have timers, or not. Either people have to grind structures and end up with pre arranged fights on the timer, or it turns into a colossal display of timezone flipping ****ery. (played games like this, WHO being a major one. it is NOT fun at all)

This is exacerbated by the fact that, aside from having your name on it, there isn't a whole lot of reason to actually own space. There is not any point whatsoever in attempting manufacturing, and moon mining doesn't strictly require sov either.

Here is the list of benefits of holding sov, straight from the wiki.



So... owning a station, and bragging rights. Because we already established that industry is nigh worthless, the only reason to even have iHubs is to build caps and bridges.

Those things need to be set up over a fairly significant time period. Timezone flippery will completely invalidate what few benefits there are of owning sov. So that flat out is not happening.

And that's the problem. CCP is between a rock and a hard place. The existing option isn't much fun, but the alternatives are much worse.

Tuberculosis (TB) is airbourne not water
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis
i believe the original reference is due to the TB in cattle in the UK.
It is believed that badgers are a source of infection for cattle and so a debate was started about culling badgers or trying to find a way to vaccinate badgers.
If anyone is still interested then i will reveal that careful experiments showed that if you perform a cull of at least 70% of badgers in a certain area within a 6 week period and do so via means that don't alarm the surviving badgers too much then you can in the medium term lower the amount of TB in cattle. They also found if you kill less, take longer or overly alarm the other badgers doing it then you make the TB problem worse.
After much debate a system of badger culling was chosen that would certainly alarm the other badgers and was started without knowing the original population numbers. After 6 weeks less than half the absurdly made up kill target was reached.
So all 3 criteria were breached and thus a bunch of native animals were slaughtered at great expense with the result that TB in cattle will almost certainly now rise in this area.
The government and farmers deem this a success and plan to do it again.
This is also why all elected officials that refuse to accept science should be jailed.
cf global warming
cf sustainable growth.

Jesus all this pointless blather on an internet spaceship forum just because i can't cope with people posting incorrect epidemiology.
dw i am stepping away from the keyboard slowly.

No wonder TEST was so quick to :getout: of sov.

This.

I don't really like timers and the structure grind more than anyone else, but how else one could account for the fact that there are things like timezones, work and life to consider? Eve is still a game and therefore has to take the backseat to real life and this is what the timers are for. Even with several days to work with you won't get everyone online because a number of your members have other stuff to do. But at least you get the chance to get enough people to form a defense, with less time (several hours or even less) there would be no way that is possible. Meaning that without timers sov and developing systems would be pointless because it would be impossible to prevent them from being taken from you unless for the rare case where you have actually already a sizeable fleet in the vicinity.

It's a neccessary evil.

That doesn't mean that sov is perfectly fine as it is, but any change needs to address such things as well and probably cannot get rid of all annoyances.

More structures.

The 8 hours while a tcu onlines can be very hectic. Unless you're in 10% tidi, i think the tcu onlines in 8 hours still, not 80.

Let's just hope that any changes recommended by Goons are discarded and incinerated with the rest of the bio-hazardous materials.

If timers stay, then I suppose siphons should have timers as well.

They should. However, I'm all for siphons being released as currently envisioned, so people can get an unmitigated view of structure spam and grind ping-pong at its absolute worst, and why it is an absolutely terrible idea.