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Calculations of Costs Compared to Ingame Income to Derive the actual amount of real Ingame Profit.

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Vis Aldent
Quafe Art
#41 - 2013-10-26 15:48:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vis Aldent
To Be Me wrote:
This thread is kind of pointless (not disregarding the op effort) but if youre playing eve suposedly youre not worrying about internet costs.

The game is just not for you, accept it and move on, stop playing.

Cause who the hell cares about internet costs in 2013 anymore, not anyones fault you live in a 3rd world country.


The $800 + is not about internet costs.
I can get internet free for while others overloaded with Spam critics and junk have to pay per bytes of transfer.

I do stop and my characters are still available for Character Bazaar.

Please don't try to give hell to my kids by forcing them to be enslaved in a 3rd world country (aside for working there to break oppression).

You're misinterpreting me.


Regardless, the point is that without knowledge of hidden costs, you can't understand what income you need.
One then can't calculate the difference and risk to get entrapped in the sense of worthlessness you refer.
One has to want to be blind not to see the day to day use that can be applied to this analysis.

It does avoid me losses of costs and allows me to protect my work , rights, intellectual property and other properties.
I know that if I do lose a finite amount of time, resource, money, even ingame ISK, that I can use the record of loss to prevent recurrence.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#42 - 2013-10-26 16:03:32 UTC
Vis Aldent wrote:


It does avoid me losses of costs and allows me to protect my work , rights, intellectual property and other properties.
I know that if I do lose a finite amount of time, resource, money, even ingame ISK, that I can use the record of loss to prevent recurrence.


Oh, for Cry-Eye.

What fantasy is that coughed up from like a hairball ?

Anything you do on TQ or the Forums (the Bazaar too) is the intellectual property of CCP. Every last Aurum and ISK and collection of pixels.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
To Be Me
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-10-26 16:18:41 UTC
Zen Dad wrote:
Hey OP you are really good with numbers, can you tell me which is the odd number out in this sequence?

1 11 22 23 44 88 ?



60?

thumbs up if you like :))))
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-10-26 16:21:52 UTC
Vis Aldent wrote:
Baggo Hammers wrote:
"Derivate" is typically a noun. "Derive" works better and makes you look smarter.

ty, typo, I'll fix it.


While you are at it, its losing, not loosing.


Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#45 - 2013-10-26 17:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Vis Aldent wrote:
Baggo Hammers wrote:
"Derivate" is typically a noun. "Derive" works better and makes you look smarter.

ty, typo, I'll fix it.


While you are at it, its losing, not loosing.



I've seen that error on this Forum about 10,000 times. Thank you for noticing as well.


On top of it all, it could be correct with "loosening" but that's still way off in spelling Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#46 - 2013-10-26 18:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Is this guy using the EvE forums to store his PLEX maths calculations? Or should i expect to see some sort of point to be reached at sometime that i can get involved in?

I thought that's what forums were all about, areas to debate topics freely and openly. This seems like a data-dump for someone who hasn't got access to a spreadsheet program.

You're free to write on the forums mate, but you have to contribute a topic or subject that people can get involved in. I'm completely confused at what you're getting at here.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#47 - 2013-10-26 18:39:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Himnos Altar
........


*eyes walls of text*


......um......

sure.


whatever.

I still say minerals I mine myself are free! :P


And actually, no. The Forums AREN'T free. You need an active subscription to post anything.

AND I READ THAT TOTALLY WRONG. you said forums, not The Forums.

Derp.
Vis Aldent
Quafe Art
#48 - 2013-10-27 16:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vis Aldent
To Himnos Altar, the forums are not free.
Although that resources to read and write are also required, on top of the paid subscription costs.

To Xen Solarus, I'll move to thread content to my own website so that it will avoid potential conflict. (I feel it would be better addressed by me in a more secure medium.)
I do have access to spreadsheet, in fact, even design and copyright my own.
Feel free to contribute positively.

To Derath Ellecon and Krixtal Icefluxor, fixed.

To Krixtal Icefluxor about IP rights, and I also design 3 party program which I will link later on if possible.
I was referring to my own IP and not infringing on CCP's rights, or inciting to, or promoting it.

Other potential costs include:
1. -8 banned accounts.
2. -I'm also busy with other important and critical tasks which complicates replying to this thread.


The $5 starter pack offer could be nice and save 50% of the cost of 2 pilots with a Buddy at $20.
I checked it out and created or updated a Steam account though I didn't buy it since I paid for more time.

I have new Bomber ready for fleet at 30.

I also have one previous post that I saved for later and never posted yet.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#49 - 2013-10-27 22:04:03 UTC
HI,

I've trimmed this thread ever so slightly; there's no reason to simply accuse someone of RMT because they are correlating the worth of game activities to plex costs...

Please be careful though - it wouldn't take too much to misconstrue this thread.

Thanks and fly safe Cool

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums
Doomheim
#50 - 2013-10-28 02:22:41 UTC
So CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN IN ONE SENTENCE (2 lines of text at most), what is that you want? Or what are you trying to say?

2 lines of text pls
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#51 - 2013-10-28 03:42:40 UTC
I find both this thread and the player who posted it to be exceedingly irritating.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#52 - 2013-10-28 03:56:37 UTC
Vis Aldent wrote:

Feel free to contribute positively.


To WHAT?? You haven't bothered to clearly and concisely state what this thread is even about.

I think i'm just going to conclude this is a stealth "ISK to real-money" moan thread. I'm pretty sure the OP isn't going to bother explaining himself.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Vis Aldent
Quafe Art
#53 - 2013-10-28 13:05:48 UTC
I'll be replying by EVE Mail later on but probably not until a week or 2.

I'm busy with other things. I wrote I'd be publishing about this on another medium to avoid being made to look bad.
Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-10-28 13:26:52 UTC
Soooooo

hmmmmm

weeelllllll


ok got it

Your mad mate Big smile

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#55 - 2013-10-28 17:30:04 UTC
You missed an important aspect in your analysis.

Were fun playing eve is inversly proportional to the amount of time spent calculating the true economic cost of playing the game.

Straight

This stuff is were madness lies.

Before you know it, you will be rationing the time it takes to take a **** to maximise your economic output.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-01-02 16:36:44 UTC
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-01-02 17:33:58 UTC
You're stating equivalences that are only equivalent if in-game currency could freely be converted back to RL money.

Given that they cannot, unless you violate the EULA and ToS, this is a lot of work for very little return. You can't, for instance, meta-game with this and break the market by manipulating LP payouts with infrequently traded items. You're not min-maxing fleet assembly charges.

But to each their own. Good luck in playing Wallet On-Line.

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-01-05 02:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Ila Dace wrote:
You're stating equivalences that are only equivalent if in-game currency could freely be converted back to RL money.
No, he doesn't.
It is not about equivalences but comparisons.
You are clearly changing the meaning.
It has to do with evidence of the fact that it is easier in certain conditions to generate income from the Bazaar than otherwise.
That can be done against the EULA and ToS which he clearly doesn't.
No matter how much you try to twist it, it is clear that the source is attempted to be corrupted.

Ila Dace wrote:
Given that they cannot, unless you violate the EULA and ToS, this is a lot of work for very little return.

You can't and you shouldn't and that is not what is about and you insinuate that it is what it is not.
The fact that even the arguments are even shown in this subject is evidence that it is more efficient to concentrate off-line on the Bazaar rather than invest time and efforts in rhetoric aimed at psychological and social warfare.

Ila Dace wrote:
You can't, for instance, meta-game with this and break the market by manipulating LP payouts with infrequently traded items. You're not min-maxing fleet assembly charges.

But to each their own. Good luck in playing Wallet On-Line.

You are clearly misquoting the subject matters discussed before.
I can quote many parts that are being violated from the forums guidelines, but even that may prove worthless.

The point is not to break the market but to take a share of profit by improving the market.

Just to calculate the accurate amounts in no way diminishes the values of friendships.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#59 - 2014-01-05 10:24:06 UTC
I play Eve and enjoy it = profit.

Easy really.

This is not a signature.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#60 - 2014-01-05 10:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Vis Aldent wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.


There is no such thing as profit in eve when comparing to RL unless you are a kid. If you are NOT a kid and are turning a profit compared to real life, that is just sad.

Shocked

Mine or whatever your profession is, corporate thief?, because it is fun. If you are playing because you can make equivilantly more $ per hour than real life, then how much more painful will it be when all that turns to virtual fire around you?

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.