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No Risk/Reward in Faction Warfare....
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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#21 - 2013-10-27 14:32:53 UTC
XvXTeacherVxV
Be Nice Inc.
Prismatic Legion
#22 - 2013-10-27 15:51:29 UTC
Sollis Vynneve wrote:
need to make it so cloaks and stabs dont work inside plexes.


Disabling stabs inside the plexes is a great idea but may be technically unfeasible. I don't think CCP has made a passive module temporarily disabled like that. Besides, they wouldn't have to if you had to actually fit your ship to kill/tank them. They should just make the rats a lot tougher. Disabling cloaks is too much. The problem isn't that a merlin can cloak in a site, it's that a merlin can fit a cloak, 3 warp stabs and then still do the site.
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Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-10-28 10:39:29 UTC
XvXTeacherVxV wrote:
Sollis Vynneve wrote:
need to make it so cloaks and stabs dont work inside plexes.


Disabling stabs inside the plexes is a great idea but may be technically unfeasible. I don't think CCP has made a passive module temporarily disabled like that. Besides, they wouldn't have to if you had to actually fit your ship to kill/tank them. They should just make the rats a lot tougher. Disabling cloaks is too much. The problem isn't that a merlin can cloak in a site, it's that a merlin can fit a cloak, 3 warp stabs and then still do the site.



My point exactly :)
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#24 - 2013-10-28 11:13:42 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
FW has a disease.

FW was meant to provide PVP and some Isk for those that are involved.
But there are so many alts now from people that arent even in FW but just do it for the easy LP.
Because it is way too easy.

At the moment a 1 week old char can farm a medium plex in a stabbed and cloaked t1 frigate.
It should not be possible to kill the Medium NPC in an unskilled t1 frigate....

Its ok if they can do the Novices, because thats what they are there for, but making 40 million isk in 20 minutes by easily killing the Medium NPC in an unskilled,stabbed and cloaked T1 frigate is just too easy

This doesn't reflect the Risk/Reward policy that CCP always seems to aim for.....


You're forgetting something very important:

FW is a big isk sink. A really big one. CCP need to have FW as easy-mode as possible to keep the horrifying inflation from incursions and moons in check.
Naomi Anthar
#25 - 2013-10-28 11:19:39 UTC
Ok you forgot about one : reduce payout for FW missions by at least 50%.

FW MISSIONS ARE NO PVP CONTENT and bring almost no risk since you don't do them in expensive ship anyway but in SB.

If they were hard enough so you need bling ship , then ok.
But if you can farm 300k lp or so in hour in cheapass ship. THEN ITS WRONG.

FW must be pvp content not the other way.

Stop making it source of money. Make it real content. As real as null sec garbage etc.

But i second on increasing hp for rats.
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-10-28 11:48:46 UTC
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Ok you forgot about one : reduce payout for FW missions by at least 50%.

FW MISSIONS ARE NO PVP CONTENT and bring almost no risk since you don't do them in expensive ship anyway but in SB.

If they were hard enough so you need bling ship , then ok.
But if you can farm 300k lp or so in hour in cheapass ship. THEN ITS WRONG.

FW must be pvp content not the other way.

Stop making it source of money. Make it real content. As real as null sec garbage etc.

But i second on increasing hp for rats.


Well the REAL driver for conflict has always been money, so dont take that away.
Its ok if people can make a lot of Isk, but it should be done by Risk/Reward, so you need to bring a decent ship to make that isk.
So you are right about the FW MISSIONS, they should pay LESS. But the Plexes are fine atm. We just dont want stabbed/cloaked T1 frigates be able to run them......
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#27 - 2013-10-28 11:54:56 UTC
I like the original idea. Increasing the tankable DPS in small, medium and large plexes will restore FW plexing to active militia members instead of farmer alts.

Farming these plexes should require large ships which are easier to catch even when fitted for evasion.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-10-28 12:28:01 UTC
I rather suspect people will just move to bigger, stabbed, cloaked ships while becoming even more paranoid. You cant change a mentality with mechanics alone.
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#29 - 2013-10-28 15:44:47 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
I rather suspect people will just move to bigger, stabbed, cloaked ships while becoming even more paranoid. You cant change a mentality with mechanics alone.


That's fine. Then the cloaky farmers will be limited - once they set out in a stabbed cruiser, they will be unable to access most of the plexes out there.

Not to mention that a cruiser is a harder ship to GTFO out in.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-10-28 16:44:21 UTC
Hmm....another change the rules against certain playstyles to benefit my playstyle in a sandbox game....er..om


HELL NO
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-10-29 02:30:59 UTC
Ghost Phius wrote:
Hmm....another change the rules against certain playstyles to benefit my playstyle in a sandbox game....er..om


HELL NO



Sounds like you are using Stabbed/Cloaky T1 frigates to run your plexes....
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-10-29 02:41:15 UTC
Gee, folk wanting the easy button instead of countering properly. Plenty of counters have been presented before in similar threads.
Bring friends to get more point, if solo then fit a faction scram or fit more than one, or sit cloaked yourself already inside a plex to pounce a farmer, etc.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-10-29 02:49:04 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
XvXTeacherVxV wrote:
Sollis Vynneve wrote:
need to make it so cloaks and stabs dont work inside plexes.


Disabling stabs inside the plexes is a great idea but may be technically unfeasible. I don't think CCP has made a passive module temporarily disabled like that. Besides, they wouldn't have to if you had to actually fit your ship to kill/tank them. They should just make the rats a lot tougher. Disabling cloaks is too much. The problem isn't that a merlin can cloak in a site, it's that a merlin can fit a cloak, 3 warp stabs and then still do the site.



My point exactly :)



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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#34 - 2013-10-29 04:46:07 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
FW has a disease.

FW was meant to provide PVP and some Isk for those that are involved.
But there are so many alts now from people that arent even in FW but just do it for the easy LP.
Because it is way too easy.

At the moment a 1 week old char can farm a medium plex in a stabbed and cloaked t1 frigate.
It should not be possible to kill the Medium NPC in an unskilled t1 frigate....

Its ok if they can do the Novices, because thats what they are there for, but making 40 million isk in 20 minutes by easily killing the Medium NPC in an unskilled,stabbed and cloaked T1 frigate is just too easy

This doesn't reflect the Risk/Reward policy that CCP always seems to aim for.....

And this is easy to solve....

make the Novice Outpost NPC able to tank 50 dps. (so noobs can still kill it and run it)
make the Small Outpost NPC able to tank 150 dps (so you actually need a dessie or well fitted frig to kill it) (or 2 people)
make the Medium Outpost NPC able to tank 250 dps (so you actually need a well fitted Dessie/AF/Cruiser to kill it. (or 2 people)

That way people in stabbed t1 frigs either have to ship up or can only run novices wich is fine by me.
But it makes the good LP only available for people that bring a decent ship.


or just reinstate the old plex's cuz you deffinatly couldnt be a noob to do them

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#35 - 2013-10-29 05:01:36 UTC
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Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-10-29 10:39:02 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Madbuster73 wrote:
FW has a disease.

FW was meant to provide PVP and some Isk for those that are involved.
But there are so many alts now from people that arent even in FW but just do it for the easy LP.
Because it is way too easy.

At the moment a 1 week old char can farm a medium plex in a stabbed and cloaked t1 frigate.
It should not be possible to kill the Medium NPC in an unskilled t1 frigate....

Its ok if they can do the Novices, because thats what they are there for, but making 40 million isk in 20 minutes by easily killing the Medium NPC in an unskilled,stabbed and cloaked T1 frigate is just too easy

This doesn't reflect the Risk/Reward policy that CCP always seems to aim for.....

And this is easy to solve....

make the Novice Outpost NPC able to tank 50 dps. (so noobs can still kill it and run it)
make the Small Outpost NPC able to tank 150 dps (so you actually need a dessie or well fitted frig to kill it) (or 2 people)
make the Medium Outpost NPC able to tank 250 dps (so you actually need a well fitted Dessie/AF/Cruiser to kill it. (or 2 people)

That way people in stabbed t1 frigs either have to ship up or can only run novices wich is fine by me.
But it makes the good LP only available for people that bring a decent ship.


or just reinstate the old plex's cuz you deffinatly couldnt be a noob to do them



NO, because the old plexes had like 20 Rats in them wich interfered with PVP, and PVP is what we want....
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#37 - 2013-10-29 10:49:22 UTC
i dont like the idea. All these ships and farmers are potential targets Lol and they also keep things going and make it a low barrier of entry for new players.

Leave it as it is now.
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-10-29 10:58:11 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
i dont like the idea. All these ships and farmers are potential targets Lol and they also keep things going and make it a low barrier of entry for new players.

Leave it as it is now.



If you would have taken time to read my post carefully, you would have read that Novices will still be able to be run for noobs...
And you are talking about potential targets? Without stabs and cloaks those targets will become much more potential, dont you think so?
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
#39 - 2013-10-29 11:05:07 UTC
I second this but honestly. I doubt CCP cares. They have done their part when they poked the long-neglected FW, now they have other fires to attend to.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#40 - 2013-10-29 13:10:08 UTC
LP payouts is a ratio and the payout is the same whether you run novices or larges.

Increased competition for novices would occur but end of the day they will be making the same amount of LP.

Just saiyan