Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Oh look there's no incursion around I gots time to write a post about how broken they are.

The content could do with a refresh maybe It would be nice to see fleet damage done displayed upon site completion.
But then missions need a refresh, stuff gets old and needs refreshing whats new?

When an incursion pops up in your home system it affects miners and mission runners in the area.
The people killing the incursion are doing these people a favor.

Why should these people suffer?

Shouldn't we be killing the Kundalini as soon as it spawns?

If you really want to stop people its not like you couldn't just get a fleet of gank ships?

The only reason to keep it open is easy isk farming for incursion runners what about easy mining for miners?

World bosses in other MMO's used to cause a little drama/content. Why can't the same apply to EvE.

This lack of incursions has driven players to things like Low sec incursions and group PvP they otherwise would never have experienced and given NPC fighting FC's the chance to FC PvP fleets can you argue this is a bad thing?

Incursions like any other resource are to be fought over or agreements made is that so hard to accept in a game like eve?

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a) It should be, since the occupying race is being abducted - lore wise. However, people should get a chance at fighting the enemy.
b) We are not in Azeroth anymore - that is what I always get from those friends, who were playing EVE when I was a little b*tch.

So when there are more fleets than sites when all sites are taken the fleets are supposed to sing kumbaya in a conga line around the sun?

Its easy to not find it fair when you're on the loosing side.

Eve is about fighting for resources.

Contesting is fine.

*snip* Flamebaiting redacted. -- ISD LackOfFaith

I have revoked that part of my comment as I find it an off-topic. It is a whole lot different.

Do you really have to be so cocky, sir?

+1, well said.

The thing that irks me is not that one group is stopping all the other groups from having content, is it actually the weaker and boxing communities that are doing so. The losing side shouldn't be able to dictate terms, even in a sandbox.

Changing how incursions work will never modify the behavior of players. So what if some group of players goes in and kills the mom right away? It's completely within game mechanics to go and do so and it surely isn't breaking any rule imposed by CCP because CCP hasn't imposed any rules.

The core issue here is the attitude of entitlement players have and that's why all the tears and drama when the mom gets popped. Oh the isk train has derailed and some one didn't follow the rules. Who's rules?

The whole issue here is about the ISK and if CCP removed all monetary benefit of doing incursions not a soul would do them ever.

To the OP

Eve is a sandbox, Eve is about combat, it's survival of the fittest and incursions are what players have made them into. This shouldn't be a great surprise, as the eve community is infamous for exactly that.

As you are a member of the incursion community WTM, your post makes sense. Sure some of the mechanics could do with updating and I am sure that CCP will get to that, in the mean time, thanks for another incursion thread and regurgitating more often discussed ideas for your members to +1.

Incursion running has strayed from it's roots into an isk printing activity which is hard to rival for those who prefer high sec dwelling and little risk v reward. For that reason, it's communities are swelling all the time. The mothership can be popped at any time, after the influence grind which is STILL a hard task for few on their own. It's good that the mothership can be popped after this time, so that there is more to it than a meaningless isk grind. It's good that if one community doesn't like those who come to run in the area that they can stake a claim and pop the mothership if they don't get the result they desire. It's good that any community who can put a fleet together can alter incursion dynamics in the way that they can. It's not surprising to see how many players and communities wail and moan and need the game 'fixed' when they either are 'contested' and lose, which is the only 'pvp' type element in their grind for isk, or have to move their isk printing factory early . In the worst case, they have to enjoy some of Eve's other fine pastimes until their isk grind can start all over again.

Now I hear people say that it's about Eve players being able to participate in their chosen activity, however when the miners are killed or the industrialists ganked, or sov is lost or any of the other accepted outcomes of Eve gameplay, people are not free to carry on their chosen activities without readjusting. Why shouldn't incursion runners be subjected to the same? Why should game mechanics be adjusted or blamed for player based actions? When those who lose complain they are trolled and mocked all over Eve, you deserve the same. Read this and tell me what you think : "Mining needs a fix. It's not fair that other people come and mine rocks with me, and they respawn so slowly that sometimes I have to move systems. It doesn't seem fair that those big corp mining fleets sweep through many systems and dictate what is left for me to do. It's not fair that sometimes I have to mission when all the belts for many systems around me are gone and I have too far to move. It interrupts my chosen field of gameplay. Please make the belts respawn faster, making mining harder so those newer players in the large corp fleets cannot leach and be included. Thank you." < Get my drift.

Incursions haven't become easier, players have gotten better at the high level pve content. Again, why change incursions over that? It would be like changing pvp mechanics because some alliances are a lot better at pvp than others.

The size of communities and fleets have a direct impact on the outcome for them in PVP, mining and isk making activities so why should smaller incursion groups have mechanic changes allowing them any benefits and influence above those who spend more time and effort collaborating a larger group of people for longer periods of time? It is like suggesting that you nerf pvp fleets to allow that poor solo player a better chance or changing the way industry works for those smaller corps and groups. As it stands, any community who can field a 40 man fleet (or small if they are good pilots and have adequate logi support) can become involved in mothership politics, how can that not be enough inclusion for you? Are you wishing to dictate more and say it is for the greater good of all by having longer to grind isk and more control of motherships. Mmhmm.

I like some of the suggestions from Commander Venture. Players are crying because the sandpile gets kicked over, and they are too used to the huge amount of reward versus very little risk. Make the rewards smaller in high sec and make low and null sec more worthwhile. Bring on the tears and the contesting which is right up there with other enjoyable activities like reading Jita trade chat other fine pursuits.



PS. Who wrote / spell checked that for you?

Lol, I meant the OP not your fine self.

He is rather known for his incomprehensible text.

Imho, the OP and his friends seek to wrap their way of life in cotton wool to improve their status quo. However, this is Eve and exactly the opposite would accomplish more. Instead of cotton wool wraps, poke them with pins and sticks and rolling pins until only the most hardy, determined remain to reap rewards. This would serve incursions in many ways, from thinning out the incursion communities, adding more risk and making the activity more 'high end'. It is also much more in keeping with the game itself.

*snip* Redacted flaming and trollbaiting. -- ISD LackOfFaith