Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With the large nerf to damage (which was pretty reasonable) it might be nice to have a bit more cpu (say 100) or a cloak cpu bonus, so that fitting this thing isn't impossible and a broader range of fits are achievable. Before there was huge damage potential but it was really hard to fit... now the damage potential has dropped substantially but it's still really hard to fit.

The dps of the Astero is still totally anemic and it would get trashed by the average T1 frigate. +1 high slot?

Amayzing fit, this ship will easily melt everything, and it has a covert ops cloaking and sisters expanded probe launcher!!!!!

CCP has to either remove some highslots from this cruiser, or prevent it from using neuts.

Congratulations.. you found the SINGLE ship and fit that would be totatly murdered if it tried to engage a tempest!

You finnaly found what tempest are good for.. not being ambushed by SOE ships!! :P

Someone just pointed out to me that the Stratios only has 350 calibration and as such my previous fit doesn't actually work. So I changed it to this:

[New Setup 3]
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer,Nanite Repair Paste
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small 'Siesta' Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400

Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Drones_Active=Ogre II,4

CA-1, CA-2, 3% PG implant. Pretty much the same stats as the last fit but a little slower because of the explo rig.

I do not understand the glass cannon neutron fits at all. You do not have the agility to orbit at 3km in a plated ABing cruiser, so if you want your neutrons to do any damage you basically have to keep at range 2500m and hope they run out of hitpoints before you do. They'll get to unload almost full DPS on you as you sit there so I really question what kind of battleships you can actually kill. No injector means a Raven with 1 heavy neut fitted chases you off easily.

Does anyone else find it odd that rise has stated that a ship that has not been tested outside of internal testing is in its final version before launch?!?!?!?

now i am not saying this version is bad or anything though i would lke to have that 5th drone back...

but for ccp to say a ship is fine without any one acutally flying it and basing its opinions solely on eft warriors just sounds stupid to me...

i mean the ship are on sisi but not seeded.

please let us actually test these things out and let our real world experiance with the ship determin if it needs any finishing touches before release.

as it stands i think we got about 5 days before what goes into rubicon gets locked. and then Major QA for release....

so please let us actually test these things and give USEFULL feedback.

I'm very eager to see this ships at Tranquility, but after reading this topic I'm feeling that, after all their changes, they're beggining to lack a defined role (even at the start it wasn't much clear). They are SoE ships, which means exploration, toughness, and enough weapons to excel at clearing sites and taking everything they can from them. While I'm much aware almost every ship can be used on PVP, these ships should be designed with PVE, specially Exploration, in mind, not PVP. That means a balance between damage, utility and exploration bonuses.

Exploration ships need to be able to cloak better than other, non Covops ships, so that can really do that, explore, with some sort of safety (if I had an exploration ship in real life I'd surely squeeze a cloak on it!). That doesn't have to mean Covops Cloaking Device; while it definitevely is beast, with a bit of clever piloting you should be able to escape even heavy gatecamps with a normal one. Also, both have that spinning ring thing and that description for something! Perhaps the Stratios could work without the Covops device, although it would greatly benefit from a cloaking device reactivation delay bonus and/or cloaked speed, as Black Ops. The Astero, however, needs the covops cloak as a frigate. And yes, that gives them advantage at PVP, but they must be cloaky ships (although they could work without the cloak) for excelling at their main role, which is exploration. Hell, almost all ships bonuses can be useful in PVP!

About toughness, being Amarr/Gallente ships they have that nice armor resists bonus. It's on par with other hulls with that bonus, so nothing to discuss about it, excepting they should have armor HP's in par with Amarr ships (they're meant to deal with hostiles at sites).

Weapons: on the ship chart they're described as a balance of lasers and drones. I find it a good and unique choice. That means they should have bonuses for both. The 10% bonus on drone damage and hitpoints on the Stratios is exactly the same other drone boats have, and it being a faction ship, shouldn't have less. The Astero's drone bonus is that of the Ishkur but doubled (in fact, I find both ships to be similar enough for using the Ishkur as a design base), which is an unique feature it should keep. Drone bays and bandwidths should be based on other drone boats; that said, I find their current numbers (25/75 on the Astero and 100/400 on the Stratios) quite good (yes, I know the Stratios could use a 5th heavy/sentry, but it already has even more drone bay than the Dominix, unless you don't mind it to overlap a bit with the Gila-although both are faction ships, they're supposed to be above all else-; remember you'll be clearing sites, and more drones to choose from would be very useful). About lasers, I think both ships should have the same bonus; I think the current 50% optimal range bonus of the Stratios is very useful, without pimping it too much, and I would let the Astero have it too. No matter the iteration, both ships should be able to clear any site excepting the most difficult nullsec ones and above C2 WH's (a SoE BS, however...).

This should make them excellent exploration ships. CPU, PW, calibration and slots should be adjusted so they can fulfill they role without being super-über powerful on other, alternative tasks. Whatever the final iteration, please stay on the exploration role! They're a great opportunity of getting awesome exploration ships, let's not waste it.


* Side note: CCP Rise, could you please keep track of the changes on the OP rather than on hard-to-find posts? I mean, something similar to what we have at the Marauder Rebalancing topic, with the links to the updates. Many thanks!

EDIT: Completely forgot, but there's no reason for these ships not having a +10 virus strengh bonus, really. They're exploration ships!

I didn't say anything about battleships in the first place, you did.


Right, but if they do you are dead, which means you will pick your targets the same way I will hence - nothing wrong with using blasters.

This ship will get MELTED by EVERYTHING easily.

Nerfing it more will make it useless, leave it be and we'll see how it performed on TQ.

getting blobbed in plexes by cloaky ships and links

Nooooo - don't kill nice PVE ship - pls keep large drone bay and 125 badwitch!!!!!