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Gallente COSMOS issue
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mogwai
Gremlin Mining and Exploration
#1 - 2011-11-15 21:43:45 UTC
Hi all Smile

Just after a bit of info regarding Gallente COSMOS.

I started running the missions, everything fine. But just gone to use the lvl 3 agent and she tells me 'Sorry, i have no jobs available for you'
I've followed the chain using this wiki guide down as far as 2.2.5
Knowing i need standings of 4.0 to start the chain of lvl 3, i checked my personal standing to the agents corp :

Roden Shipyards > mogwai 4.64 (connections 5 raises your effective standing from 3.31) (good)

Am i missing something?

any help would be grateful,

mogz
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-16 01:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
In my opinion I believe Cosmos agents are currently more bugged than usual which is why I'm not working them. There seems to be major confusion concerning them pertaining to various things.


According to information from a very recent petition, the various replies from the GM stated that,

Cosmos agents go by Faction standing.
They will accept standing modified by Social skills.
Standing requirement listed in Agent Info is incorrect.
Actual standing requirement is 'Hidden' and is higher than what is listed.
Some of the agents are 'miss-behaving'.

These 'problems' are known and will be addressed asap.


I believe they're just very badly bugged.

The low standing requirement listed in the Agent info is due to the 'Agents Made Easy' expansion. Supposedly right after that expansion, players were gaining a lot of easy Faction standing increase so the Cosmos Agents have been reverted back to their old standing requirement that was dictated by the old agent quality level. This also means they pay out standing increase and rewards based on the old agent quality system.

The reason for my petition was due to not being able to access a couple of Cosmos Agents.

Supposedly one of the agents just wouldn't offer a mission even if +10 Faction and Corp standing was used. The other agent supposedly had allocated a mission to me but the offer never made it into my journal and somehow the mission offer timer expired. Then there was reference made that it may have affected other agents.

Anyway, here's another reason that compels me to believe the whole Cosmos Agent system is really bugged out.

I had completed a few of the level 4 Cosmos Agents (right after 'Agents Made Easy' expansion) and their missions are listed as completed in my Character sheet - standings section - 'Liked By' tab - Faction - 'show transactions'. The missions are also listed in the Corporation standing 'show transactions'.

However, the agents themselves don't show in the Agent standing list of my Character Sheet. When I do a 'Show info' on those missing agents and check the standings tab in the agent window, it lists my standings with those agents as 0.00 (neutral).

Anyway, if you have access to an old agent database that shows the old agent quality standing requirement, use that. If you still can't access the agent after gaining the old standing requirement, file a petition in game. Hopefully you'll have better luck than I did.


EDIT:
These guides are old and probably show the old agent standing requirement.
http://www.eve-odessa.com/en/guides/cosmos.html (Minmatar and Gallente)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16401872/Cosmos-Missions-101 (Caldari)
http://www.hb3.info/cosmos/ (All Factions - need translated - German)

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-16 09:28:23 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I believe they're just very badly bugged.


Not exactly. What seems to have happened is that the "general" change to standings requirements did not automatically apply to COSMOS agents for some reason. However the information displayed did update.

Over time a few of the COSMOS agents may have had their standings requirements manually updated which... is not ideal.


Result - yes COSMOS agents are very quirky - but that is not exactly news, especially the Gallente ones always have been (there were agent prior to the change to standings requirements who would NEVER give you the mission as advertised, even if you had standings of 10 so not sure if much has changed there)
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#4 - 2011-11-16 16:03:51 UTC
The 'eve-odessa.com' link is very good.I have used that site for reference a lot. Although not all the Gallente COSMOS agents are listed on there. A more complete list can found by typing 'COSMOS' into the search box on the official EVE site.

Touchwood so far I haven't had any problems with the COSMOS agents myself. Standing requirements appear to be correct on the official EVE site. They are based on 'effective' faction standings. I have completed nearly all the Minmatar, Gallente, and SOE COSMOS agents in Minmatar space except the repeatable ones and the ship bpc ones.

Thukker Tribe COSMOS agents have all had their missions removed by CCP.

I have done several of the Gallente COSMOS in Gallente space without any problems so far. Seem to be posts regarding problems with them fairly often. Not sure why though.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-16 20:46:39 UTC
Guess you guys didn't fully comprehend what I posted.

Right after the 'Agents Made Easy' expansion, all agents including cosmos agents were changed and allowed access with the lower standing requirement while paying out max rewards and standing increase.

Lv 2 = +1.00
Lv 3 = +3.00
Lv 4 = +5.00

That explains why I was able to access a few of the level 4 cosmos agents with Faction just above +5.00 modified standing.

Supposedly since the cosmos agents were giving out max amount of faction standing increase while being accessed with low faction standing requirements, all cosmos agents were reverted back to their original standing requirement based on the old Agent Quality standing but still list the 'Agents Made Easy' low standing requirement..

Somehow during the change, some of the cosmos agents got really bugged, as I explained in my previous post.

The reason given for the change sounds like a poor flimsy excuse masking a larger problem, especially since Data Center and Epic Arc Agents can still be accessed by the 'Agents Made Easy' low standing requirement while paying out max rewards and standing increase.

I don't know about the rest of you but to me this sounds 'Unbalanced' to say the least.

However, the reason given does explain why I no longer have any access to the other level 4 cosmos agents since they now require Faction of at least +6.00 and higher modified standing.

As for the Evelopedia page - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/COSMOS - I reverted it to now show all the original old standing requirements. Those standing requirements is what all the old quides are based on. It's also what I used when I accessed and completed all Factions level 3 and lower cosmos agents back before the 'Agents Made Easy' expansion. Until CCP makes the change to cosmos agents enabling them to show the correct standing requirement, the old Agent Quality standing requirements is all we have to go on.


So once again, according to the information I received from a very recent petition, the various replies from the GM stated:

Cosmos agents go by Faction standing.
They will accept standing modified by Social skills.
Standing requirement listed in Agent Info is incorrect.
Actual standing requirement is 'Hidden' and is higher than what is listed.
Some of the agents are 'miss-behaving'.

These 'problems' are known and will be addressed asap.



To the OP,

mogwai

You need +4.00 or higher Gallente Faction standing to access the level 3 cosmos agents. Modified standings should be accepted by the agents. If not, file a petition in-game.

Good luck to you.

DMC

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-11-16 20:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Forums seem to be messed up more than usual since last patch, really slow and doing double post.

Evil

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mogwai
Gremlin Mining and Exploration
#7 - 2011-11-16 22:04:50 UTC
Thanks for the help all Smile

As my Fed Navy standings were stupidly high, i blew a 'bit' Oops of isk and headed over to the Muer system and did the 'tags for standings'
Just need to head back now to see if it did the trick on faction standings Smile
Valhallas
New Eden Robotics
#8 - 2011-11-17 09:59:08 UTC
Just to further confuse matters, im going to give you my opinion.

There are two messages I have seen where the agent will not give you a mission -

1. Sorry , you do not have the required standings to get a mission(Or words to that effect)
2. Sorry, I don't have a mission for you at the moment.(the reply you get when you have already done this agents COSMOS missions)

I go to the agent and get message 1.(It was my alt)

So I take myself away and grind standings for the corp in question to above 3, the level required for the agent.

Do now I have corp standings above 3 but faction standing below 3.

So I go back to the agent and now gives me message 2

This suggests to me that I now do have the required standings but for some reason the agent is bugged as the OP has suggested.

Petition required I think.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-17 22:21:00 UTC
Valhallas wrote:
Just to further confuse matters, im going to give you my opinion.

There are two messages I have seen where the agent will not give you a mission -

1. Sorry , you do not have the required standings to get a mission(Or words to that effect)
2. Sorry, I don't have a mission for you at the moment.(the reply you get when you have already done this agents COSMOS missions)

I go to the agent and get message 1.(It was my alt)

So I take myself away and grind standings for the corp in question to above 3, the level required for the agent.

Do now I have corp standings above 3 but faction standing below 3.

So I go back to the agent and now gives me message 2

This suggests to me that I now do have the required standings but for some reason the agent is bugged as the OP has suggested.

Petition required I think.



Regular agents accept Corporation standing for access. Cosmos agents require Faction standing for access.

If you have the required amount of Corporation standing and can't access a regular mission agent, then yes, file a petition.

If you have the required amount of Faction standing and can't access a Cosmos agent, check agent info - standings tab - if it shows the agent has a positive amount of standings towards you, that indicates you have already completed missions for that agent. If it shows 0.00 (neutral), then file a petition.

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