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Gold Lyle
Akaram Technologies
#1 - 2013-10-27 00:23:25 UTC
This is a public message for the DMs.

Just some minutes ago a fleet of goons in destroyers have blown up my very old golem. Well played, and well, it is the way in wich the things works. And no so hard to me because the ship was more than paid, it was the original one, the only marauder i have bought and it was flying since the marauders exists. Normally i dislike the BS size ships, but the golems was cute in shape.

I suppouse that now the goons thought that the ppl harvesting LPs from the SoE are some kind of evil or whatever, and they have started the whateverLPggedon on Osmon. I had enough bad luck to be hunted just when i was 10 minutes to stop to harvesting LPs, in the last mission i thought i need. BTW i has been working for SoE in Osmon during years, i have been giving SoE probes for friends and so on.

I have no problem with that kind of things, they are part of the game -although in this case the bad luck for me it is clear. But for me there is a problem with all that whateverggedon things that goons do in high sec. It is a role playing problem. By now it is clear that the goon alliance does periodically that kind of action inside of the empires, clear illegal actions, with clear objetives, as a nation trying to change behaivours,etc.. So goon alliance it is, following the internal logic of the game, a pirate nation -similar to sansha's one, for instance- and the empires should consider it like that.

I have no time to play the null regions game. And now it is clear that the goons are bored to have a realm out there, and they are trying to manage the high sec as their own space. So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

Thank you, for this great game, but, please, clarify the nature of it.

-I really hope that the DMs will give me a clear answer-
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-10-27 00:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Gold Lyle wrote:
i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

EVE has always been a PvP game, regardless of the sec area. PvP is allowed and expected everywhere, including highsec. Only the consequences of PvP vary between regions.

NPCs will continue reacting to PvP with the same logic they have used for years.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2013-10-27 00:35:46 UTC
A clear answer on what? Your entire post is a collection of doggerel with no question marks in it.

Also, in order to not get killed, it helps to not be profitable to kill.

Quote:
Bling. It costs lives.

This was a public service announcement from Gankers Local #412.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Gold Lyle
Akaram Technologies
#4 - 2013-10-27 00:36:15 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Gold Lyle wrote:
i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

EVE has always been a PvP game, regardless of the sec area. PvP is allowed and expected everywhere, including highsec. Only the consequences of PvP vary between regions.

NPCs will continue reacting to PvP with the same logic they have used for years.


Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#5 - 2013-10-27 00:37:53 UTC
Gold Lyle wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Gold Lyle wrote:
i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

EVE has always been a PvP game, regardless of the sec area. PvP is allowed and expected everywhere, including highsec. Only the consequences of PvP vary between regions.

NPCs will continue reacting to PvP with the same logic they have used for years.


Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.


New? You been living under a rock.

The Tears Must Flow
Gold Lyle
Akaram Technologies
#6 - 2013-10-27 00:38:13 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
A clear answer on what? Your entire post is a collection of doggerel with no question marks in it.

Also, in order to not get killed, it helps to not be profitable to kill.

Quote:
Bling. It costs lives.

This was a public service announcement from Gankers Local #412.


There was not any 'profit' on killing the old golem. Mostly T2 mods.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-27 00:38:41 UTC
Gold Lyle wrote:
Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.

Suicide ganking is as old as CONCORD, which is as old as EVE itself.

You are confusing your made-up roleplay interpretation with actual game mechanics.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2013-10-27 00:38:44 UTC
Gold Lyle wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Gold Lyle wrote:
i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

EVE has always been a PvP game, regardless of the sec area. PvP is allowed and expected everywhere, including highsec. Only the consequences of PvP vary between regions.

NPCs will continue reacting to PvP with the same logic they have used for years.


Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.


Aaaaand we're being trolled. No highseccer is this ignorant, it's just not possible.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Gold Lyle
Akaram Technologies
#9 - 2013-10-27 00:38:50 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Gold Lyle wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Gold Lyle wrote:
i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

EVE has always been a PvP game, regardless of the sec area. PvP is allowed and expected everywhere, including highsec. Only the consequences of PvP vary between regions.

NPCs will continue reacting to PvP with the same logic they have used for years.


Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.


New? You been living under a rock.


No, but i am a really old character, for me it is relatively new.
Alara IonStorm
#10 - 2013-10-27 00:44:09 UTC
Gold Lyle wrote:

Not at all. The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent. This is not the same thing that the old fashion war.

It really isn't. Back in the age of complete hull insurance, 60-70mil Battleships and insurance coverage for ganks it was not uncommon to use Arty Tempests and Smartbomb Armageddons to gank people and get 90% of the cost back.

Moo Corps closed down Yulai with an RR Gate Camp and since CCP changes have been increasing the cost of ganks through Concord changes, insurance changes and hull buffs to frequent targets.

Suicide Ganking has been common since the servers came online and large Alliances have always held a corner stone.
Gold Lyle
Akaram Technologies
#11 - 2013-10-27 00:47:17 UTC
Ok. Thanks for the answers.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2013-10-27 00:49:59 UTC
Gold Lyle wrote:
So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates,
They already do.

Quote:
or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too
It always was.

Quote:
The suicide thing it is relatively new, and that the main alliance works like a pirate faction is really recent.
…if by “new” and “recent” you mean “a part of the game since beta”. Granted in the beginning, the suicide part wasn't guaranteed they way it is today, but that's why it was implemented: because attacks were so common that it needed to become suicidal to do so (which further belies the notion that pirate corps are anything new).
Lucas Irvam
The Anodyne Consortium
#13 - 2013-10-27 00:51:34 UTC
Gold Lyle wrote:
This is a public message for the DMs.

Just some minutes ago a fleet of goons in destroyers have blown up my very old golem. Well played, and well, it is the way in wich the things works. And no so hard to me because the ship was more than paid, it was the original one, the only marauder i have bought and it was flying since the marauders exists. Normally i dislike the BS size ships, but the golems was cute in shape.

I suppouse that now the goons thought that the ppl harvesting LPs from the SoE are some kind of evil or whatever, and they have started the whateverLPggedon on Osmon. I had enough bad luck to be hunted just when i was 10 minutes to stop to harvesting LPs, in the last mission i thought i need. BTW i has been working for SoE in Osmon during years, i have been giving SoE probes for friends and so on.

I have no problem with that kind of things, they are part of the game -although in this case the bad luck for me it is clear. But for me there is a problem with all that whateverggedon things that goons do in high sec. It is a role playing problem. By now it is clear that the goon alliance does periodically that kind of action inside of the empires, clear illegal actions, with clear objetives, as a nation trying to change behaivours,etc.. So goon alliance it is, following the internal logic of the game, a pirate nation -similar to sansha's one, for instance- and the empires should consider it like that.

I have no time to play the null regions game. And now it is clear that the goons are bored to have a realm out there, and they are trying to manage the high sec as their own space. So i need to know if the NPC are going to react with logic against the biggest player alliances when they acts like pirates, or i need consider that EVE has became a PvP game in high-sec too, not only by the ancient war mechanism.

Thank you, for this great game, but, please, clarify the nature of it.

-I really hope that the DMs will give me a clear answer-


I read this whole thing in Toki Wartooth's voice.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#14 - 2013-10-27 00:54:35 UTC
Those damn goons...

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#15 - 2013-10-27 01:01:18 UTC
What is a DM? Is that like a high sec district manager?

Read my bio and play by the rules, and I can help you recover what was lost.

Grrr Goons!

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-10-27 01:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
just get out of high sec. it's fuckin' lame that ganker alts can run all over the place with impunity, they don't even need to rat up or buy tags/ sec status from CONCORD, an elegant function of a corrupt inter-faction entity (interest acknowledged i rat for these)

of course they'll tell you that the residents of high sec will police their flashy red behinds.

LOL

forums.  serious business.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#17 - 2013-10-27 01:13:37 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
just get out of high sec. it's fuckin' lame that ganker alts can run all over the place with impunity, they don't even need to rat up or buy tags/ sec status from CONCORD, an elegant function of a corrupt inter-faction entity (interest acknowledged i rat for these)

of course they'll tell you that the residents of high sec will police their flashy red behinds.

LOL


I never really thought about ganking the mission runners who get security tags. Thanks for the idea!

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-10-27 01:17:26 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
just get out of high sec. it's fuckin' lame that ganker alts can run all over the place with impunity, they don't even need to rat up or buy tags/ sec status from CONCORD, an elegant function of a corrupt inter-faction entity (interest acknowledged i rat for these)

of course they'll tell you that the residents of high sec will police their flashy red behinds.

LOL


I never really thought about ganking the mission runners who get security tags. Thanks for the idea!


er no you ninja them. if you mean faction tags from missions. it's quite lucrative in terms of noob income.

also massively boring.

forums.  serious business.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#19 - 2013-10-27 01:18:20 UTC
Gold Lyle wrote:
So goon alliance it is, following the internal logic of the game, a pirate nation -similar to sansha's one, for instance- and the empires should consider it like that.

Have you seen an incursion in highsec?

Concord ignores them.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-10-27 01:21:52 UTC
Gold Lyle wrote:
Grr Goons!!!


Not empty quoting.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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