Intergalactic Summit

I will assume that you missed the part where it has never been precised how they will return...

I heard that once someone starts to repeat something to himself ad nauseam, he eventually starts to believe it.

"Deserved"?

People rarely get what they deserve.

As often as not the innocent perish and the guilty prevail.

I suppose even the most jaded can be disappointed.

But surprised Pieter, no.

We can't negotiate with these swines, or we will disgrace ourselves like this disgusting Reppola.
Federal scum killed our citizens, attacked our planets, our stations.
These bastards even bought weak minded unfair citizens to voice and act against our beloved Executor!

There should be no negotiations with them.
While gallentean scum is allowed to hold weapons, the war won't end.

But first, we must put to firing squad those morons, who were against Tibus Heth, when he was the Executor.

What action now needs to be taken to secure the security of the Caldari State, now this confidential document has come to light.
Im sure the CEP will be making a comment on the Scopes release of some of the information to date in the coming days.

Those executives who have not been involved with colluding with the Federation must be extremely concernced regarding the revelations that have come to light from the Scopes recent article.

Is the CEP now not fit for purpose. Should all the top executives in the mega corporations be placed under house arrest, until the names of the traitors have come out. Should martial law now be implemented in the State.

I see... What a shame.

Though it is always interesting to see the discrepancies of ideals and mindsets of the new breed of Caldari capsuleers since Heth's rise to power.

It was your invasion of Luminaire that forced the negotiations, but do you believe your nation or at the very least, Heth, truly exhausted every possible option available? I feel that as the Federation became less militant and more peaceful following the Gallente-Caldari war, the State became more aggressive and war hungry.

Your own compatriats can list plenty of reasons why the option of negotiating Caldari Prime's sovereignity was never an option for the Federation. Generations of Federal citizens living there, its location in a Federation core system, the fact that Cal-Gal relations even in those days were chilled, and that negotiating what we wanted was political suicide for Federal elected representatives of the people. Knowing the democratic process, the voting citizens needed good reason to accept the loss of their homes to the Caldari under a transfer agreement.

Multiple diplomatic attempts were made by various means and megacorporations over the years, but none of them could come even remotely close to negotiating the sovereignty of Caldari Prime. Those options were simply never offered or on the table from the Federation's viewpoint. Under no circumstances was the Federation willing to consider anything other Federation sovereignty and administration of Caldari Prime. Expecting the Federation to hand over Caldari Prime is, in their eyes, the same as asking for a system in Villore, or Dodixie, or Bourynes, or any other major system. The Federation did not care that it is our homeworld. There was no reasonable difference to them. So each time the topic came up, it would be turned down flatly at best, or cause for an immediate end of diplomatic credibility at worst.

We of course did not exhaust literally every option available, but neither did the Federation ever seriously considering giving Home back to us. Even those few who did were simply outvoted through the democratic process. The Federation saw Caldari Prime as their territory, with very very few exceptions. What we wanted was not acceptable.

I dare say the current compromised situation wouldn't be acceptable in a time of peace either. The only reason the Federation accepted the current outcome is because of the proven threat of yet more violence. Without such bloodshed in recent memory, how many Senators would vote to hand over even part of one of their central worlds to their old enemy? How many did, in the years preceding 110? Few, I imagine. I believe they only did so now because the citizens of your nation demanded an end to hostilities at their doorsteps.

I don't mean to grandstand or make wild threats. No threats at all here. I'm simply stating that it was a non-reality to expect what we have now through diplomacy. It was a pipe-dream at best.

I am pleased to see you come closer to reality with your statements. You admit that both sides were demanding unreasonable things, and neither side was willing to compromise. Perhaps now you can step away from the ignorant accusation that all options had not been exhausted.

Compromise was not an option.

It is only an option now for the Federation due to the threat of more bloodshed.
It is only an option now for the State due to the threat of losing Home a second time.

Nothing to see here. I'm hardly surprised to see one of the limitless federal attempts of influencing other sovereign nations unveiled. After all, isn't this what they've been accused of since the very beginning of this little conflict?

Not much. I am sorry that it puts you in the same basket, since I made a pretty wide blanket statement above, and for that I deeply apologize.

You are a rather standing example of the liberal Caldari mindset that I have witnessed over the years, before and after the rise of Heth.

The only concession I see is that you seem to use that recent fad consisting to call Caldari Prime / Luminaire VII, "Home". Which is a trend I usually associate with Provist propaganda, since it has emerged at the same time.

If I may say so.... I hope that does not offend you.