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goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#461 - 2013-10-19 16:02:12 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
I heard some rumors that ICU is becoming WIN, anyone have a more informed viewpoint on this so I can update the OP.


may i suggest joining the mailing lists?

I am on a bunch of the mailing lists, not sure if I got all of them.

I got the troll mail that made me ask what was going on, I guess I was a little more gullible the other day than normal.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#462 - 2013-10-19 18:15:05 UTC
There is new initiative by some of TVP members regarding incursions in null-sec: service for local alliances to clear incursions from their space. Check channel TVP.null for details.

Not sure there it will end up but anyway it sounds a bit more interesting than incursion-less weekends.
Lancelot Trueshot
Four Pillar Production
#463 - 2013-10-20 08:14:11 UTC
I am looking for a group/channel who runs high sec inc on a scheduled basis and not on the drop by wen you are on and we will see if a fleet is running. Something like we will run in 3 days from dt for x hours who can be online at this moment?

Can someone point be towards a channel/group that works that way? Shield/armor no importance. I speak eng + ger + fr

I have been flying inc for 6 month on an occasional basis. Flying full t2 amarr armor pulse laser atm but don't mind at all skilling into shield, beam and/or nightmare.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#464 - 2013-10-22 21:02:10 UTC
LV6 restructured and became WIN, so I updated it in the OP, let me know if there is anything else I need to add, take away, or change.

Thanks
Goldiiee

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Balam Acab
Incident Response Team
#465 - 2013-10-24 00:00:21 UTC
derp
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#466 - 2013-10-25 06:33:11 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
LV6 restructured and became WIN, so I updated it in the OP, let me know if there is anything else I need to add, take away, or change.

Thanks
Goldiiee


I would add that the characters Mineral Ore and Community Replacement are attempting to scam more people in the Incursion channels claiming he is a legitimate SRP character. He has already stolen one SRP prior to Lv6's disbanding, and refuses to transfer what was paid in by Lv6 members to go to the current leadership of Lv6.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#467 - 2013-10-25 06:59:56 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
LV6 restructured and became WIN, so I updated it in the OP, let me know if there is anything else I need to add, take away, or change.

Thanks
Goldiiee


I would add that the characters Mineral Ore and Community Replacement are attempting to scam more people in the Incursion channels claiming he is a legitimate SRP character. He has already stolen one SRP prior to Lv6's disbanding, and refuses to transfer what was paid in by Lv6 members to go to the current leadership of Lv6.

I though he was Lv6 SRP and just refused to give up accumulated 30bil to another pilot. If it's true it's hardly a theft.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#468 - 2013-10-25 07:06:52 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
LV6 restructured and became WIN, so I updated it in the OP, let me know if there is anything else I need to add, take away, or change.

Thanks
Goldiiee


I would add that the characters Mineral Ore and Community Replacement are attempting to scam more people in the Incursion channels claiming he is a legitimate SRP character. He has already stolen one SRP prior to Lv6's disbanding, and refuses to transfer what was paid in by Lv6 members to go to the current leadership of Lv6.

I though he was Lv6 SRP and just refused to give up accumulated 30bil to another pilot. If it's true it's hardly a theft.

Makes me wonder if any SRP has not ended up in someone's wallet (Not in the communities grasp), brings back memories of 'MeFirst' to name just one.

Even though it is important to protect new pilots, I don't know if (Or how) it should be added in the OP. I'll think about it this morning and add something informative as soon as I can get it worded in my head.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#469 - 2013-10-25 10:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
New pilots be careful and be sure you're actually paying for an SRP and not an elaborate Long Con.

There is a bit of ongoing drama about SRP’s (Ship Replacement Programs), My personal take on these is a bit skewed but here it is anyways. In case you don’t know SRP, SRF, DRF or whatever they want to call it is a program to pay for the replacement of ships lost in fleet. There are a few problems I have with this.

First, why are you losing ships? A well planned and working fleet doesn’t lose ships, if the Logi’s are paying attention and you are paying attention there is really no reason to lose a ship. The sites don’t have enough DPS to kill you if the FC is doing his job and keeping a proper balance of DPS and Logistics.

Second, if the fleet failed you and let your ship die, then the fleet should pay for the replacement. In every case of a ship loss I have seen, the fleet compensated the pilot, many times they compensated the pilot with more ISK than he lost. This also relates to the competence of the Pilot who lost the ship, if he was getting shot and didn’t broadcast, then verbally ask, and then scream for reps, it begs the question: What was he doing when he was losing his ship? Because realistically all the FC was asking him to do was watch his screen, shoot the little red crosses, and broadcast for reps when he gets Yellow boxed. If he can’t do those three things it’s probably because he was doing something else, so why should the fleet or community pay for him to do something else?

And last, I have seen three SRF’s disappear in the last 18 months into the wallets of greedy, self absorbed ‘Community leaders’ with the amount varying from 8 billion to 50 billion ISK (Might have been 80 billion, memory fades). At no point and time have I seen a fleet lose a 50 billion ISK ship, for that matter I haven’t seen (due to the fault of the fleet) a 10 billion ISK ship lost in a site. Really, think about it? If a pilot is flying a 50 billion ISK ship and loses it without having checked to make sure the fleet was capable of keeping him alive and then the simple -Broadcast, Ask, Scream- when yellow boxed, he probably didn’t want to keep that shiny ship anyways.

So why would a community realistically need 50 billion is petty cash, unless someone had plans to steal it, and harvest forum tears.

Ultimately giving any one individual the 'Community Pot' will always end in tears, but ignoring that glaring reality I have heard of several problems with collecting on a SRP such as;
Your particular situation did not fall into the narrow circumstances that provide for a replacement.
Your particular modules were not covered by the fund.
Or they just don’t like you enough to pay for your replacement.

Add to that the definite possibility of the fund getting hijacked and used to pay for someone’s SuperCap loss-mail dreams, seems like a recipe for disaster.

Just my two cents.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#470 - 2013-10-25 13:21:30 UTC
At least at DIN every FC with Hands on to the DIN-SRP has multiple times more isk than the SRP has and will have in wallet.
Don't know why other communities give poor FCs access to the srp wallet.
DIN uses a Corporation with currently 4 FCs having alt toons in it. Every FC in that Corporation has way over 300 Billion in ISK, the most of them much more, so there is no reason for us to steal change money from the SRP.

A side note to Goldiiee, you cannot plan or missplan a disconnecting logistic or whatever can happen through the Internet. Our SRP covers losses only if the victim didn't made a mistake i.e. not broadcasting.

So, SRP yes or no? It's up to the Pilot in DIN-Fleets. We dont force the Pilots to pay it. It is completely optional plus we have 3 different insurances, depending on deposit.

Ingame Mailinglist: dinsrp for further Information.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#471 - 2013-10-25 15:09:20 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
At least at DIN every FC with Hands on to the DIN-SRP has multiple times more isk than the SRP has and will have in wallet.
Don't know why other communities give poor FCs access to the srp wallet.
DIN uses a Corporation with currently 4 FCs having alt toons in it. Every FC in that Corporation has way over 300 Billion in ISK, the most of them much more, so there is no reason for us to steal change money from the SRP.

A side note to Goldiiee, you cannot plan or missplan a disconnecting logistic or whatever can happen through the Internet. Our SRP covers losses only if the victim didn't made a mistake i.e. not broadcasting.

So, SRP yes or no? It's up to the Pilot in DIN-Fleets. We dont force the Pilots to pay it. It is completely optional plus we have 3 different insurances, depending on deposit.

Ingame Mailinglist: dinsrp for further Information.

A well thought out and transparent plan, one that a new pilot can trust. Beware of FC's that say they have a plan that is not laid out like DIN's.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#472 - 2013-10-25 19:34:48 UTC
Do strategic cruisers (Legion/Loki) still have a role in high-end incursions or are advanced battleships(Paladin, Bhaal, Krono, Vindi, Mach, Nightmare) the only viable ships in town?
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#473 - 2013-10-25 21:33:54 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
LV6 restructured and became WIN, so I updated it in the OP, let me know if there is anything else I need to add, take away, or change.

Thanks
Goldiiee


I would add that the characters Mineral Ore and Community Replacement are attempting to scam more people in the Incursion channels claiming he is a legitimate SRP character. He has already stolen one SRP prior to Lv6's disbanding, and refuses to transfer what was paid in by Lv6 members to go to the current leadership of Lv6.

I though he was Lv6 SRP and just refused to give up accumulated 30bil to another pilot. If it's true it's hardly a theft.


He refused to transfer to the ISK to Sinderella Pain, WIN's current leader despite the agreement having the clause that if the majority of the community left Lv6 the SRP followed to an appropriate character. He refused to give it up as he claimed it was a "coup" and he wasn't giving ANYTHING up to WIN (rthough we could still pay into the SRP, and maybe we'd get use out of it).

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#474 - 2013-10-25 22:28:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Do strategic cruisers (Legion/Loki) still have a role in high-end incursions or are advanced battleships(Paladin, Bhaal, Krono, Vindi, Mach, Nightmare) the only viable ships in town?

I know ISN stopped using Loki's, I am not sure about the rest of the communities, I will check and get back too you.

Edit: I checked with 5 different communities and with the exception of ISN everyone else is saying that they still use a Webbing Loki on occasion. This is a rather limited role as they only need one or two per fleet but they are still using them. I couldn't get into TDF's chat to check on the Legion so I will have to wait till an armour community FC can answer that.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Nefra Ravenheart
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#475 - 2013-10-26 00:41:03 UTC
TDF uses Legions and the occasional Loki.
PopplerRo
#476 - 2013-10-26 01:37:09 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
He refused to transfer to the ISK to Sinderella Pain, WIN's current leader despite the agreement having the clause that if the majority of the community left Lv6 the SRP followed to an appropriate character. He refused to give it up as he claimed it was a "coup" and he wasn't giving ANYTHING up to WIN (rthough we could still pay into the SRP, and maybe we'd get use out of it).


Even though I feel the very concept of srps for non-pvp activites to be stupid, why should a pilot who plotted to leave their respective community and take fcs and members with them to form a new group have access to the srp of the community they tried to overthrow? It's equally as plausible that this was a scheme for the 'leader' of the new group to gain access to the isk, If they trusted and lead fleets well then the srp would not even be an issue.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#477 - 2013-10-27 10:07:38 UTC
Take a look at this thread in F&I and +1 it for me.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3790560#post3790560

I agree and think the re-spawn timers need to be revisited by CCP

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#478 - 2013-10-29 07:35:35 UTC
Back on top .
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#479 - 2013-10-29 13:06:44 UTC
Can someone explain to me why the incursion communities are constantly at each others throats these days and insist on shutting off the ISK faucet just to spite each other?

Not today spaghetti.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#480 - 2013-10-29 13:25:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Zor'katar
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Can someone explain to me why the incursion communities are constantly at each others throats these days and insist on shutting off the ISK faucet just to spite each other?

My semi-cynical guess? Community leaders have become so fat off the profits that actually running incursions is no longer as interesting as using their position to generate drama.

(Edit: not intending to imply that all community leaders are like that. It only takes a few.)