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Gut and Psychology Syndrome (GAP Syndrome)
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Sturmwolke
#1 - 2011-11-17 14:05:27 UTC
http://www.gaps.me/preview/?page_id=20

Gut and Psychology Syndrome (GAP Syndrome or GAPS) is a condition, which establishes a connection between the functions of the digestive system and the brain. This term was created by Dr Natasha Campbell-McBride, MD, MMedSci (neurology), MMedSci (human nutrition) in 2004 after working with hundreds of children and adults with neurological and psychiatric conditions, such as autistic spectrum disorders, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD/ADD), schizophrenia, dyslexia, dyspraxia, depression, obsessive –compulsive disorder, bi-polar disorder and other neuro-psychological and psychiatric problems.

Quite an interesting read. Makes a lot of sense to me.
Younger folks may not fully appreciate it however Smile
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#2 - 2011-11-17 15:29:47 UTC
If by "makes sense" you mean rambles on inconsistently and fails to cite sources in any sort of sensible way.
Sturmwolke
#3 - 2011-11-17 16:39:42 UTC
Try harder.
Pro tip : scroll all the way to the bottom.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#4 - 2011-11-17 16:50:27 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
Try harder.
Pro tip : scroll all the way to the bottom.

I did, genius. Theres this thing, its called "een teeckst saitayshuns." They help you determine what, exactly, came from what source. I can't be arsed to read about 20 sources which may (and probably don't) support the authors case just to find out that she used one easily manipulated statistic.
Sturmwolke
#5 - 2011-11-17 17:50:39 UTC
Those references serves if you're a researcher trying to dig more info behind them - and getting into detailed sources go beyond "een teeckst saitayshuns".
Since you can't be arsed to read or dig for them, hopefully these (less verbose) links for the "less scientifically inclined" MAY help with your reasoning(s).

Bacteria in mouse gut affect development and behaviour
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12306431

Bacteria In The Gut May Influence Brain Development And Behaviour
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/215122.php

Belly bacteria boss the brain
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/333870/title/Belly_bacteria_boss_the_brain

If it those above do not help, sorry I can't help you.
You've got some bad bacterias in ya. Big smile
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#6 - 2011-11-17 18:27:52 UTC
Going from bacteria containing broth makes mice less anxious to this particular diet may help with schizophrenia is a huge and damaging stretching of the evidence.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#7 - 2011-11-17 18:38:06 UTC
Pot cures cancer, just google it.

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-17 19:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagam
As a nursing student... this fails half a dozen criteria of being a valid study, and basically pulls in big medical words in random places, and tries to infer causative references between two completely unrelated things.

Its kinda like saying, "because you got a flu shot, your bones will be stronger since you won't get the flu".

Also, I like how the author is trying to pimp their book at the very beginning.
Drifterin Thedark
#9 - 2011-11-17 19:25:50 UTC
Zagam wrote:
As a nursing student... i'm really only a glorified drug dealer. They don't teach us anything else.


Oh, don't be so hard on yourself. You can still be aware of things which don't have to do with any drug, like how there's actually neurotransmitters in our abdomen, and that's also where most serotonin our brains use is created. Seriously, google it, and maybe school your professor.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#10 - 2011-11-17 19:32:45 UTC
As a Mental Health worker, with a valid College degree, I still must confess Im appalled at how Pot cures cancer.

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Drifterin Thedark
#11 - 2011-11-17 19:36:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Drifterin Thedark
Brujo Loco wrote:
As a Mental Health worker, with a valid College degree, I still must confess Im appalled at how Pot cures cancer.


The problem is, smoking it does not cure cancer, and no one seems to get that.

It does have qualities which have been shown to slow and even reverse tumor growth, but none of those are gained through smoking it.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#12 - 2011-11-17 19:53:33 UTC
Drifterin Thedark wrote:
Brujo Loco wrote:
As a Mental Health worker, with a valid College degree, I still must confess Im appalled at how Pot cures cancer.


The problem is, smoking it does not cure cancer, and no one seems to get that.

It does have qualities which have been shown to slow and even reverse tumor growth, but none of those are gained through smoking it.

It also greatly increases the incidence of psychosis and schizophrenia amongst its users. However, whether this is due to THC, or these types of people being drawn to marijuana (for self-medication) remains to be seen.
Drifterin Thedark
#13 - 2011-11-17 20:15:55 UTC
Zions Child wrote:
It also greatly increases the incidence of psychosis and schizophrenia amongst its users. However, whether this is due to THC, or these types of people being drawn to ********* (for self-medication) remains to be seen.


Same could be said about alcohol, or cigarettes. An abnormally high amount of schizophrenics are cigarette smokers, and just about anyone who drinks enough becomes psychotic.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#14 - 2011-11-17 20:24:04 UTC
Drifterin Thedark wrote:
Zions Child wrote:
It also greatly increases the incidence of psychosis and schizophrenia amongst its users. However, whether this is due to THC, or these types of people being drawn to ********* (for self-medication) remains to be seen.


Same could be said about alcohol, or cigarettes. An abnormally high amount of schizophrenics are cigarette smokers, and just about anyone who drinks enough becomes psychotic.


Yes, we are in agreement here, however, very little research has been done on marihuana (really CCP?) . Conversely, a lot of research has been done on cigarettes and alcohol.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#15 - 2011-11-17 22:00:14 UTC
Zions Child wrote:
Drifterin Thedark wrote:
Zions Child wrote:
It also greatly increases the incidence of psychosis and schizophrenia amongst its users. However, whether this is due to THC, or these types of people being drawn to ********* (for self-medication) remains to be seen.


Same could be said about alcohol, or cigarettes. An abnormally high amount of schizophrenics are cigarette smokers, and just about anyone who drinks enough becomes psychotic.


Yes, we are in agreement here, however, very little research has been done on marihuana (really CCP?) . Conversely, a lot of research has been done on cigarettes and alcohol.


Yes, but I can quote here a study:

Pharmacology. 2010;85(6):328-35. Epub 2010 Jun 2.Cannabinoids inhibit
cellular growth of oral cancer State University of New York, Upstate
Medical University, Syracuse, NY, USA.
CONCLUSIONS AND IMPLICATIONS: These
results show the cannabinoids are potent inhibitors of Tu183 cellular
respiration and are toxic to this highly malignant tumor.

This study directly relates the incidence of Cannabinoids as potential inhibitors of cancerous growth to a specific type of tumors.

So please tell me, why hasn't this been taken more seriously? I'm aghast!!!

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-11-18 05:11:53 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
Zions Child wrote:
Drifterin Thedark wrote:
Zions Child wrote:
It also greatly increases the incidence of psychosis and schizophrenia amongst its users. However, whether this is due to THC, or these types of people being drawn to ********* (for self-medication) remains to be seen.


Same could be said about alcohol, or cigarettes. An abnormally high amount of schizophrenics are cigarette smokers, and just about anyone who drinks enough becomes psychotic.


Yes, we are in agreement here, however, very little research has been done on marihuana (really CCP?) . Conversely, a lot of research has been done on cigarettes and alcohol.


Yes, but I can quote here a study:

Pharmacology. 2010;85(6):328-35. Epub 2010 Jun 2.Cannabinoids inhibit
cellular growth of oral cancer State University of New York, Upstate
Medical University, Syracuse, NY, USA.
CONCLUSIONS AND IMPLICATIONS: These
results show the cannabinoids are potent inhibitors of Tu183 cellular
respiration and are toxic to this highly malignant tumor.

This study directly relates the incidence of Cannabinoids as potential inhibitors of cancerous growth to a specific type of tumors.

So please tell me, why hasn't this been taken more seriously? I'm aghast!!!



Maybe because there are other chemicals that affect the same tumour type but are more effective/cheaper/don't need a special licence to research?
Sturmwolke
#17 - 2011-11-18 07:59:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturmwolke
Zions Child wrote:
Going from bacteria containing broth makes mice less anxious to this particular diet may help with schizophrenia is a huge and damaging stretching of the evidence.

Depends on how you'd interpret it. The fundamental idea is the link between the state of the gut and the brain's function.
There's been a number of similar research articles on the MSM lately regarding that idea. You are what you eat, so it's not that far fetched.

Now, whether it helps or not, that is a different question. GAP is an interesting "theory" as far as nutrition is concerned ... skipping the genetics possibilities and other causes.
Imo, it certainly deserves more independent research to validate parts of the theory. However, research nowadays aren't always altruisticly done for science and the good of humanity.
It's more about money and politics. If there's really no profit in telling people to eat healthy (and ruin the junk food industry), there won't be any large scale proper research done on the idea.
These sort of thing will remain on the internet as a grassroots/word-of-mouth DIY effort until it has gained enough traction to force a change .. if ever.

I remember the idea of a mobile phone poses a cancer risk was pooh-poohed a few years back, but one of the latest MSM articles backed this idea.
They're now doing a large scale long term COSMOS study, which the results won't be out for years ... if it's even meaningful.

Check back in a couple of years.
Holy One
Privat Party
#18 - 2011-11-18 08:03:41 UTC
Zagam wrote:
As a nursing student... this fails half a dozen criteria of being a valid study, and basically pulls in big medical words in random places, and tries to infer causative references between two completely unrelated things.

Its kinda like saying, "because you got a flu shot, your bones will be stronger since you won't get the flu".

Also, I like how the author is trying to pimp their book at the very beginning.


I think you may have just discovered 'the internet'.

:)
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#19 - 2011-11-18 08:55:10 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
Zions Child wrote:
Going from bacteria containing broth makes mice less anxious to this particular diet may help with schizophrenia is a huge and damaging stretching of the evidence.

Depends on how you'd interpret it. The fundamental idea is the link between the state of the gut and the brain's function.
There's been a number of similar research articles on the MSM lately regarding that idea. You are what you eat, so it's not that far fetched.

Now, whether it helps or not, that is a different question. GAP is an interesting "theory" as far as nutrition is concerned ... skipping the genetics possibilities and other causes.
Imo, it certainly deserves more independent research to validate parts of the theory. However, research nowadays aren't always altruisticly done for science and the good of humanity.
It's more about money and politics. If there's really no profit in telling people to eat healthy (and ruin the junk food industry), there won't be any large scale proper research done on the idea.
These sort of thing will remain on the internet as a grassroots/word-of-mouth DIY effort until it has gained enough traction to force a change .. if ever.

I remember the idea of a mobile phone poses a cancer risk was pooh-poohed a few years back, but one of the latest MSM articles backed this idea.
They're now doing a large scale long term COSMOS study, which the results won't be out for years ... if it's even meaningful.

Check back in a couple of years.


What the hell is the "MSM"? All I get for it is some homeopathic medicine style drug. Are you talking about media? Because the media is to science what South Park is to Colorado.
Sturmwolke
#20 - 2011-11-18 14:21:38 UTC
MSM = MainStream Media (BBC, CNN, WSJ etc etc)
Sorry, I don't watch South Park so your comparison eludes me.
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