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What are acceptable courier contract hauling rates?

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-16 03:33:06 UTC
My opinion on the subject:

Stop Being a Cheap Bastard - Pricing Your Courier Contracts



Has anyone attempted a union in EVE? Would be quite difficult to police, but an interesting idea. Would give people a reason to gank other industrialists (scabs!)
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-11-16 03:41:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vigdis Thorisdottir
My courier contract rates are reasonable.

50k per jump for highsec contracts.

250k per lowsec jump.

Don't even bother with null, as nobody takes them. Nobody takes anything with lowsec jumps nowadays either. Not talking freighter hauls either. Like things a low skilled bestower or sometimes covops could do.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-16 03:48:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
50k per jump for highsec contracts.

50K ISK per jump is fine, as long as it's only one-fifth of my freighter hold. If you're paying 50K ISK per jump for 900000m3 of cargo, I wouldn't touch that.

I easily average 220K ISK per jump with my freighter. I just get really irritated when I see people wanting 900000m3 shipped, and they're only paying 38K ISK per jump. Obviously, I don't touch those ... but I hope to hell no one else is either.

(I'll start doing some lowsec runs once I'm into my blockade runner. Won't do lowsec otherwise. Doing lowsec in a freighter takes too much effort, since you need two webbers to get the thing into warp quickly.)
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-16 04:44:13 UTC
As I said, my contracts can be done by a noob in a bestower. If I had a freighter load I would pay much more.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-16 04:58:06 UTC
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
As I said, my contracts can be done by a noob in a bestower. If I had a freighter load I would pay much more.
Ah. I misunderstood. Those are good rates for a load that can fit into a Bestower.
Bloody Wench
#6 - 2011-11-16 06:27:12 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
My opinion on the subject:

Stop Being a Cheap Bastard - Pricing Your Courier Contracts



Has anyone attempted a union in EVE? Would be quite difficult to police, but an interesting idea. Would give people a reason to gank other industrialists (scabs!)



You and your fuckin Blog, jesus get over yourself.

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Hax Zoidberg
New Eden Shipping
New Eden Customs Enforcement
#7 - 2011-11-16 07:17:07 UTC
Brynj Spirum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-11-17 17:19:03 UTC
Hax Zoidberg wrote:


And here I keep chastising myself being so paranoid for double and triple checking my contracts. Not going to stop doing that anytime soon.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-11-17 20:08:04 UTC
How much would it take to get someone to go into null?
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-18 13:18:28 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:
How much would it take to get someone to go into null?


Well black frog does that regularly for viable rates.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-18 14:50:03 UTC
Black Frog only does runs to NPC stations. If you want to have something hauled in/out of a player owned outpost, you'll need to contact the owning alliance.
Xerxes Ceasar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-18 15:50:28 UTC
Anyone know usual rate for jumpfreighters?
Grozdan Boyadijev
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-18 18:13:59 UTC
Xerxes Ceasar wrote:
Anyone know usual rate for jumpfreighters?


Depends on where in 0.0 you're looking to ship to. If there isn't someone in your alliance running a service from Jita to your main market hub, look into finding someone for it.

I've seen prices run from about 150 isk/m3 up to 500 isk/m3, with a 1m isk minimum.
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-11-18 18:16:36 UTC
Or we could just use red frog instead
Orion Hastmena
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-11-19 15:30:12 UTC
Whenever I need something hauled, I either haul it myself, or I tip my hauler a ridiculous amount. Why, just the other day I payed 5 mill for someone to go from Jita to Korama (3 jumps) with a Hurricane in it... ;)
Conjugate Momenta
Uwu punish me sexy zorya daddy
#16 - 2011-11-20 07:14:58 UTC
There are hauler bots that will take pretty much any highsec-only contract for pretty much any price. I only put more than a few thousand isk total if I want it moved in the next 24-48 hours.
Gizan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-11-20 07:43:33 UTC
come 29th of november, autopilot docks in destination system automatically. it warps you 15k from station and approaches.
Boomhaur
#18 - 2011-11-20 07:57:46 UTC
Personally I overpay by most peoples definition of what to pay. When I had a freighter load to be moved before I think I payed them close to 1mil per jump for it for all hi sec jumps. But in general your looking at 100-500k a jump with what I pay, I just choose a number I like for how valuable the cargo is and weight.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
#19 - 2011-11-20 15:58:32 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:


I find those prices very low and cannot believe that they work for any other start location or destination than Jita and a few more big trade hubs. The last contract I issued was 2 mil ISK for 28,000 cbm and 18 jumps through hisec. Start in some quiet Tash-Murkon system and destination in Oursulaert. Collateral about 50 mil. No one accepted this contract within two weeks. According to your calculation a price of almost only a tenth, namly 225k ISK, would have been acceptable.

I believe that the prices definitely cannot be "flat". They strongly depend on source and destination of the transport and they must also depend on the collateral which has to be accepted. I don't know if Freighter pilots are tougher (Quote from your blog: "The first thing you need to know is that a freighter pilot does not give a sh*t what your cargo is worth." ( = what collateral the pilot has to pay)) but the average industrial pilot wants a resonable incentive to accept a high collateral if it is above a certain level where losing the collateral starts to hurt.
Seregon Sandgrain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-12-31 21:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Seregon Sandgrain
Kolmogorow wrote:
I believe that the prices definitely cannot be "flat". They strongly depend on source and destination of the transport and they must also depend on the collateral which has to be accepted. I don't know if Freighter pilots are tougher (Quote from your blog: "The first thing you need to know is that a freighter pilot does not give a sh*t what your cargo is worth." ( = what collateral the pilot has to pay)) but the average industrial pilot wants a resonable incentive to accept a high collateral if it is above a certain level where losing the collateral starts to hurt.


Admittedly, I'm pretty new to the game but I'd tend to agree. I've pretty much just been running frigate class around in lowsec hoping my speed and wits will get me through (has so far!). You can be sure I'm not going to take a contract with 20M collateral for $10k/jump.

The lower end of ISK I've taken is around 10K/jump, but those are for contracts through high-sec with no more than maybe a few hundred thousand collateral. Anything I've taken with >1M collateral has been at least 20K/jump (if I'm desperate), more often around 30-40 and stretching up to 150-300k for some shorter, more out of the way contracts. (The 300K/jump was with 12M collateral out in the boonies.)

It's fair to say I don't care what your cargo is worth, but I do care how much of my money I'm putting on the line to haul it. I'm not going to risk 12M ISK for a measly 100K ISK. The risk to reward ratio is just too great.

I think a better way to look at it, rather than purely per volume or jump, is to consider the risk to reward ratio.

Looking through my previous contracts, it looks like they've ranged anywhere from 0.2 to 80 (that is, for every one ISK of reward, I put up that many ISK as collateral).

If I'm flying a short haul (say, 5 jumps) through safe space (>=0.8) I might be willing to go as high as 40:1. That is, on a 1M collateral, I'll do it for maybe $25,000.

If I'm flying a long haul (say, 30 jumps) through safe space (>=0.8) I'd still want to risk less because the time I spend exposed is higher. Maybe 20:1. So on a 1M, pay $50,000.

If I'm flying short haul through lower security systems (0.4-0.6) I'd be looking more for 15:1. So on 1M, pay around $70,000.

Long haul through lower security maybe 8:1. So on 1M, pay $125,000.

You'd need to work in a payment per jump in with that base... Perhaps just adding it on top. So maybe add your $10k/jump on top of that and adjust up and down for how out of the way it is, how quickly you'd like it done, etc. So if you want me to fly 25 jumps through 0.4-0.6 systems with 1M collateral, look at around $375,000.

And keep in mind that anything under $100k isn't even going to get a second look unless I happen to already be right on top of it from the completion of my last contract. If it's a few jumps away it's just not worth my time for such a small contract... It might the same per jump, but at the end my bank balance isn't really going to move.

That all said, remember I'm just some random noobie. I'm sure there are people that aren't so picky with their contracts, but every time I look I sure do see a lot paying $3-5k/jump sitting there day after day... Or paying $10k/jump with a 15M collateral.
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