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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1921 - 2013-10-24 13:17:37 UTC
Witchking Angmar wrote:


With three sentries? Not really.

Give it back the 125 bandwidth and reduce the damage bonus instead.


100m3 is four sentries.

Omnathious Deninard wrote:

On a 2 DDA setup, this will cause it to lose about 130 DPS ( 1 Garde II)


Yeah, but I don't know what the requirements are in the first place. ;)

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Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
#1922 - 2013-10-24 13:20:03 UTC
I'm curious, is the Astero intended to be useful outside hacking sites at all? After all it is ridiculously outmatched in any kind of combat, PVP or PVE. It cannot combat probe. It cannot cyno.
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#1923 - 2013-10-24 13:21:38 UTC
If I was to use this ship it would have been as a dedicated drone boat. You see, I am a missile chucker and having to train turrets for one ship is not practical. I appreciate the desire to further balance the ships but the bandwidth and drone bay reduction just made this ship impractical for me. Especially if it was meant to do 6/10s solo.

The only reason I would have to reconsider using these ships now is if existing covops and T3s become rebalanced making them less capable than the SoE ships as proposed. In other words, all missile chucking explorers will need to seriously consider retraining.

Please reconsider the drone changes.

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#1924 - 2013-10-24 13:23:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Witchking Angmar
mynnna wrote:
100m3 is four sentries.

And leave your fifth drone unused? You make me sick.

PS. It's 100 Mb/s.
Koban Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1925 - 2013-10-24 13:26:10 UTC
So mayby 125mb and 7.5% bonus instead of 10% bonus to drone dmg?

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#1926 - 2013-10-24 13:26:38 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Alright, after a lot of feedback and discussion I'm going to share what will likely be the last set of tweaks to the Stratios and Astero before launch.

We feel that while there are significant weaknesses in the cruiser that do balance it against major abuse, it's simply too strong in its current state. The combination of the covert cloak, black ops portal access and extremely high damage potential make for a ship that does a bit more than we are comfortable with. To tone it down slightly we are going to lower the drone bandwidth to 100m3 and the drone bay to 400m3.

The ship will still have very high damage potential and will certainly still be very powerful overall.

This also makes me feel better about some other small changes that improve the ship, so we'll also be increasing the virus strength bonus to +10 and changing the laser cap use bonus to a medium energy turret optimal range bonus of 50%. We will also extend the virus strength bonus to the Astero.

Please post with feedback, but keep in mind that these changes are made after processing tons of feedback from the forums, my visit to EVE Vegas and a lot of internal discussion.

Thanks


These are wise changes. Good job ;)

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Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
#1927 - 2013-10-24 13:29:31 UTC
Koban Agalder wrote:
So mayby 125mb and 7.5% bonus instead of 10% bonus to drone dmg?


8% would match the 20% reduction from 125 to 100.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1928 - 2013-10-24 13:30:47 UTC
It seems to me there are better ways to keep the OP factor of the ship down without nerfing the drone DPS.
You could have removed its ability to covert jump bridge.
Lowered it scan resolution to make it lock slower.
Lowered it sensor strength.
or all 3

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#1929 - 2013-10-24 13:55:02 UTC
What about giving the Astero a high slot? (or trading one low for one high)?

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Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#1930 - 2013-10-24 13:58:19 UTC
Witchking Angmar wrote:
I'm curious, is the Astero intended to be useful outside hacking sites at all? After all it is ridiculously outmatched in any kind of combat, PVP or PVE. It cannot combat probe. It cannot cyno.
You do realize that these ships are for hacking sites and exploration? Being "ridiculously outmatched in any kind of combat, PVP or PVE" is just perfect. Imagine this: there are more specialized ships that do combat probing, cyno, pvp, etc. better.

What you should wrap your head around is that a ship specialized in exploration shouldn't be as or more effective at "any kind of combat, PVP or PVE." It should, however, be good at exploration, which is exactly the case here.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1931 - 2013-10-24 14:29:42 UTC
Tzar Sinak wrote:
If I was to use this ship it would have been as a dedicated drone boat. You see, I am a missile chucker and having to train turrets for one ship is not practical. I appreciate the desire to further balance the ships but the bandwidth and drone bay reduction just made this ship impractical for me. Especially if it was meant to do 6/10s solo.
.

So use missiles on it. There's no laser damage bonus, so you're not really losing anything by doing so.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1932 - 2013-10-24 14:32:27 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Tzar Sinak wrote:
If I was to use this ship it would have been as a dedicated drone boat. You see, I am a missile chucker and having to train turrets for one ship is not practical. I appreciate the desire to further balance the ships but the bandwidth and drone bay reduction just made this ship impractical for me. Especially if it was meant to do 6/10s solo.
.

So use missiles on it. There's no laser damage bonus, so you're not really losing anything by doing so.

About that.....
There is no launcher hard points.

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Koban Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1933 - 2013-10-24 14:33:54 UTC
If it is losing dps what about increasing it's fitting (as right now it's rather small) ?

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1934 - 2013-10-24 14:34:39 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Tzar Sinak wrote:
If I was to use this ship it would have been as a dedicated drone boat. You see, I am a missile chucker and having to train turrets for one ship is not practical. I appreciate the desire to further balance the ships but the bandwidth and drone bay reduction just made this ship impractical for me. Especially if it was meant to do 6/10s solo.
.

So use missiles on it. There's no laser damage bonus, so you're not really losing anything by doing so.

About that.....
There is no launcher hard points.


Oh right. I need to not post in the early morning. Oops

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1935 - 2013-10-24 14:36:02 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Tzar Sinak wrote:
If I was to use this ship it would have been as a dedicated drone boat. You see, I am a missile chucker and having to train turrets for one ship is not practical. I appreciate the desire to further balance the ships but the bandwidth and drone bay reduction just made this ship impractical for me. Especially if it was meant to do 6/10s solo.
.

So use missiles on it. There's no laser damage bonus, so you're not really losing anything by doing so.

About that.....
There is no launcher hard points.


Oh right. I need to not post in the early morning. Oops

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1936 - 2013-10-24 14:38:44 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Alright, after a lot of feedback and discussion I'm going to share what will likely be the last set of tweaks to the Stratios and Astero before launch.

We feel that while there are significant weaknesses in the cruiser that do balance it against major abuse, it's simply too strong in its current state. The combination of the covert cloak, black ops portal access and extremely high damage potential make for a ship that does a bit more than we are comfortable with. To tone it down slightly we are going to lower the drone bandwidth to 100mb/s and the drone bay to 400m3.

The ship will still have very high damage potential and will certainly still be very powerful overall.

This also makes me feel better about some other small changes that improve the ship, so we'll also be increasing the virus strength bonus to +10 and changing the laser cap use bonus to a medium energy turret optimal range bonus of 50%. We will also extend the virus strength bonus to the Astero.

Please post with feedback, but keep in mind that these changes are made after processing tons of feedback from the forums, my visit to EVE Vegas and a lot of internal discussion.

Thanks


Can't we just have a good ship that doesn't have a cloak, instead of a bad one that does? I know it's extremely good currently, but I'm assuming you guys will nerf its combat abilities at some point.
TheFace Asano
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1937 - 2013-10-24 14:40:27 UTC
The only reason (outside of the cool look of the ship) that I want to use this ship at all is because of the 125mb/s bandwidth. Pull turrets from it, not nerf its main damage type. Look to the Vexor Navy with only 2 turret hardpoints. Probably wont bother with it now.
Kellath Eladrel
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1938 - 2013-10-24 14:44:57 UTC
I wouldn't be caught dead in a drone ship with 100 Mb/s of bandwidth. It's shameful.

There must be another way to nerf dps than creating an abomination.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1939 - 2013-10-24 14:46:27 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Alright, after a lot of feedback and discussion I'm going to share what will likely be the last set of tweaks to the Stratios and Astero before launch.

We feel that while there are significant weaknesses in the cruiser that do balance it against major abuse, it's simply too strong in its current state. The combination of the covert cloak, black ops portal access and extremely high damage potential make for a ship that does a bit more than we are comfortable with. To tone it down slightly we are going to lower the drone bandwidth to 100mb/s and the drone bay to 400m3.

The ship will still have very high damage potential and will certainly still be very powerful overall.

This also makes me feel better about some other small changes that improve the ship, so we'll also be increasing the virus strength bonus to +10 and changing the laser cap use bonus to a medium energy turret optimal range bonus of 50%. We will also extend the virus strength bonus to the Astero.

Please post with feedback, but keep in mind that these changes are made after processing tons of feedback from the forums, my visit to EVE Vegas and a lot of internal discussion.

Thanks

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Doomheim
#1940 - 2013-10-24 14:49:31 UTC
About the 2 highs on the frigate:

Probe launcher+Cloak+Salvage drones, duh!P

If you need guns or a salvager bring along that handy-dandy space yurt/deployable depot(whatever it's called) to switch out your modules.

Giving a frigate that's specialized for exploration CovOps cloak, probes, lots of drones, and guns seems a bit OP to me. It's not a swiss army knife.

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