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TIDI - killing EVE slowly

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Xain deSleena
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-23 21:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Xain deSleena
For those that don't know TIDI is short for Time Dialation. It is a part of the game that traps pilots in an an almost frozen like state of gameplay. As an example warping from one gate to another while TIDI is in effect can take several minutes.

TIDI was introduced to EVE to combat the 'lag monster' which brought several non-memorable past battles to a standstill. It was CCP's way of saying hey we killed the lag monster. I had experienced TIDI running at 10% during the battle in FR-B1H that cost Black Legion many super capitals.

Now with several expansions in EVE since TIDI was introduced nobody it seems cares about TIDI or the fact that the lag monster still exists. If the lag monster can never be killed and TIDI is to continue then please add this to the game.

When TIDI is running in a system and falls below 50% or some reasonable amount then block pilots from entering the system until TIDI runs at a reasonable rate.

If I was BL I would be petitioning every super loss since they were trapped at playing the game at a speed of a tortoise while all the rabbits came flooding in from far and wide.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-10-23 21:44:32 UTC
Xain deSleena wrote:
For those that don't know TIDI is short for Time Dialation. It is a part of the game that traps pilots in an an almost frozen like state of gameplay. As an example warping from one gate to another while TIDI is in effect can take several minutes. TIDI was introduced to EVE to combat the 'lag monster' which brought several non-memorable past battles to a standstill. It was CCP's way of saying hey we killed the lag monster. I had experienced TIDI running at 10% during the battle in FR-B1H that cost Black Legion many super capitals. Now with several expansions in EVE since TIDI was introduced nobody it seems cares about TIDI or the fact that the lag monster still exists. If the lag monster can never be killed and TIDI is to continue then please add this to the game. When TIDI is running in a system and falls below 50% or some reasonable amount then block pilots from entering the system until TIDI runs at a reasonable rate. If I was BL I would be petitioning ever super loss since they were trapped at playing the game at a speed of a tortoise while all the rabbits came flooding in from far and wide.



#1 PARAGRAPHS!

#2 You must be to young in the game to remember the epic fleet fights of 12 people in system black-screening.....
Crasniya
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-23 21:47:24 UTC
TiDi saves ships.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2013-10-23 21:48:23 UTC
Xain deSleena wrote:
If I was BL I would be petitioning ever super loss since they were trapped at playing the game at a speed of a tortoise while all the rabbits came flooding in from far and wide.

No, you wouldn't. You'd be happy that the game was actually playable and that you had a chance of getting out of there as opposed to automatically losing all ships without any recourse because your client no longer had any input or effect on the battle.

…and even then, there would be no grounds for reimbursement — lag never was; tidi even less so.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-23 21:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Confirming that the force which fills the system with trial alts first should win by default as nobody else can get in.


TiDi may not be the optimal gaming experience.
However what was here before TiDi was much, much worse than that.

I'd rather play the game at 10% speed than stare at the screen for hours not being able to play at all.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-10-23 21:51:22 UTC
I would gladly endure TiDi for the rest of my days, than deal with any of the lag that even a spontaneous 50v50 used to generate.





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Dicnar
MAFIA
Coca Cola Cowboys
#7 - 2013-10-23 21:52:56 UTC
Geez, at least it ain't lag and it's more playable then with lag.
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#8 - 2013-10-23 21:58:07 UTC
Oh god someone doesn't quite understand what tidi is and why its there.

Please can CCP just lock his client up for 2 hours then make him appear in a station.

The fight to stop lag is still ongoing, tidi just helps that.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-10-23 22:02:37 UTC
OP has no idea of what they are on about.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-10-23 22:29:15 UTC
Posting in a stealth buff icelandic server hamsters thread.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#11 - 2013-10-23 22:37:39 UTC
So you want regular, good old fashioned normal lag, huh? And maybe throw in some rubberbanding for good measure? That's what all the normal MMOs have, and all those other players like it that way! (Except that they don't.)

I swear, these forums are sometimes more entertaining than the actual game. (Oops - did I really just say that?)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#12 - 2013-10-23 22:45:39 UTC
Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:
I swear, these forums are sometimes more entertaining than the actual game. (Oops - did I really just say that?)

Yes, they are.

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Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-10-23 22:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Bischopt
Indeed, something needs to be done about the lag monster. Because it's monstrous.

We also need to kill Manbearpig before it can kill us.

edit: seriously though, TiDi is WAY better than getting lagged out, logging off, logging back in and fiding yourself in a station after getting killed and podded.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-10-23 22:51:47 UTC
/facepalm. This system its good no its the best system the ever build in eve online and you are complaining? Because you notice there reaction is faster then you?.....
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#15 - 2013-10-23 22:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Either TiDi or mass disconnects and black screens. Don't really think there's a choice here.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#16 - 2013-10-23 23:02:20 UTC
It isnt CCP that made those supers jump to your fleet members beacon now is it
Spurty
#17 - 2013-10-23 23:17:15 UTC
Op you are so wrong

TiDi = heaven compare to black screen for hours more than your worst tidi

If you dislike tidi just undock into hostiles and log out for three hours. Volia, life before tidi

Door swings both ways.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2013-10-23 23:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The rules:
3. Ranting is prohibited.

A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.

4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.


Also, for further clarification on how TIDI actually works see this EvElopedia article and this Dev Blog.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-10-24 00:39:50 UTC
Fine, lets kill the lag monster once and for all...

We'll pass the hat around and get CCP the first ever Quantum Super Computer, not one of those finicky 8 bit ones, no I mean a quantum computer the size of the supercomputer/cluster they have Eve running on now.

Unless you're able to give them that kind of hardware, the lag monster is here to Stay. TiDi is the best way of reducing it's bite by letting people at least play the game instead of just having the whole thing explode in their faces.

Also, anyone with half a brain would know that any engagement with supercaps and titans will be escalated by other sides, so there will be hordes of people flocking to the fight, and TiDi will kick in. This is simply something you have to deal with as being part of doing something like this in the first place.

Edit: HA! In After The Lock!

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#20 - 2013-10-24 02:02:55 UTC
Xain deSleena wrote:
For those that don't know TIDI is short for Time Dialation. It is a part of the game that traps pilots in an an almost frozen like state of gameplay. As an example warping from one gate to another while TIDI is in effect can take several minutes.

TIDI was introduced to EVE to combat the 'lag monster' which brought several non-memorable past battles to a standstill. It was CCP's way of saying hey we killed the lag monster. I had experienced TIDI running at 10% during the battle in FR-B1H that cost Black Legion many super capitals.

Now with several expansions in EVE since TIDI was introduced nobody it seems cares about TIDI or the fact that the lag monster still exists. If the lag monster can never be killed and TIDI is to continue then please add this to the game.

When TIDI is running in a system and falls below 50% or some reasonable amount then block pilots from entering the system until TIDI runs at a reasonable rate.

If I was BL I would be petitioning every super loss since they were trapped at playing the game at a speed of a tortoise while all the rabbits came flooding in from far and wide.



You really think no tidi would have saved those Supers? Shocked

I agree with the issue, it's like CCP has said, we can't fix lag, so you'll all get it to the max. But all tidi did in that fight was make a 5 hour fight out of a 30 minute fight.

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