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If I am reading this correctly, this particular battleship, if you disconnect while in Bastion mode you fail to emergency warp AFTER exiting Bastion mode during PvE or even when not engaged in any actual combat?

If this is accurate, then yes, this is an issue that should be addressed.

While realism is great and all, disconnects happen (regardless of accident or not). To say: "well, every other Battleship can emergency warp except this one because people may abuse it" ignores the fact that people may abuse emergency warp in every other Battleship. There is no reason to compare a Marauder to a class like Carrier or Dread which it does not belong to. Should we treat the Tornado or Talos like a battleship because it can fit battleship weapons?

E-warp for me but not for thee.

Bastion Mode should not not be interrupted but the ship should emergency warp once Bastion Mode turns off following a disconnect.

FYI: I do not fly Marauders so this is not me trying to save my shiny.

I will say first, I believe CCP fixed the issue of them not e-warping after bastion, just before they removed rubicon from test.

However, here is where the problem lies.
In the case of most DC's, it's a pretty short period of time before the player logs back in.

In an other BS, right when you DC, you start e-warp, and have typically warped off before you're able to log back in.
This is as intended of course.

In the case of sieged/triaged capitals, you do not e-warp until the cycle ends.
Depending on the situation you're in, with these capitals they have enough EHP to survive long enough for you to come back in and activate tank.
If it was blasted during your DC, odds are you weren't going to survive even without DC, cause you were being hammered.

When it comes to bastion, you do not e-warp until the cycle ends..
ATM, this is working as intended, much like a capital in the same situation.
HOWEVER, marauders have no where near the same EHP, and in fact have actually had their EHP nerfed with Rubicon.
This means they have almost no buffer, and rely solely on active tanking in order to survive incoming fire.

Lets say i'm in a mission...
Think of any mission that has high damage output.
I'm tanking the mission just fine, only having to cycle my shield booster every so often, thanks to bastion.
All of the sudden, I DC.

I DC without my shield booster on. My ship wouldn't last a full minute without the booster on, because it relies so heavily on active tanking.

Now, if I'm flying any other BS, I would e-warp.
However, if I'm scrammed, or disrupted, I will not warp.
I also won't warp if i'm bumping into an object.

Let's say I DC in a Marauder, and bastion cuts off mid-cycle.
Not only will I face the same issue with either of the above listed situations, but, I will also be in one of 4 ships with the largest mass of any other sub-cap ship, meaning it takes longer to warp.


The only complaint I see here is that they shouldn't E-warp cause of a module being active cause a capital with a similar module wouldn't do the same, yet a capital can withstand a DC in many cases due to EHP.


This change would not effect Marauders in pvp, and would not effect Marauders in pve.
It would follow all the same laws of every other battleship in the game.

If you're assuming that dropping out of bastion mid cycle somehow effects your ability to warp scram/disrupt a Marauder, well then, perhaps you're the one who needs to LTP.

Just because a Marauder is in bastion doesn't mean you shouldn't warp scram them.
Expecially when you consider they can MJD every minute.

yes, that indeed can happen. and if you make it possible to escape an certain death by faking a DC it will happen a lot.

we should not compare at all! the reason (IF the marauder doesn't E-warp) has nothing to do with its size, but with an INTENTIONAL penalty that keeps the ship where it is no matter what, this includes an E-warp

everything that isn't hold in place because of cyno or bastion, triage, siege or industry mode of rorq will safe E-warp. but again there is a penalty that keeps the ship where it is. IT WORKS AS INTENDED


IF this would be the case then it should be the same for carriers, dreads and cyno ships and i doubt that will happen

you haven't read my posts because it would make it very easy to fake an DC when trouble comes to the horizon. So you can cheat a certain death.

also ofc because carriers and supers in triage or an dread in siege is also not going to E-warp, makes sense too as they are immobilized.

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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And you can prove this without opinion? Just because some people may abuse it, does not mean others should suffer. Or are you that kind of teacher?



I think we are arguing the same point here but it needs to be clarified further: Do I think a Marauder should e-warp regardless of Bastion? That is up to the Developers, not us, so my opinion is meaningless. Like other factors planting it firmly in the ground it seems that is should remain planted until the root is gone. In this case: when Bastion ends, it should e-warp. Are we clearer on this point?

The issue, as I understand it: is that after Bastion ends, the ship does not ewarp: the root is gone, why is it still there apart from PvP mechanics.


See above. I think we agree. The point is the ship is not warping after Bastion ceases to effect the ship.

Comparing a Marauder with Bastion Mode to a Capitol ship is ridiculous. Even with Bastion mode the difference in EHP is enormous. Not to mention when capitols deploy they always have support. If they don't, then someone effed up and you deserve what you get.

Personally I think the e-warp script needs to be re-written. If you DC, it needs to check to see if you are in Bastion mode and then recheck every 10 seconds until not in Bastion mode. If/when you are not in Bastion mode, not pointed with a warp disrupter, scram, or warp bubble; then you e-warp. Same should apply to capitols and their mods.

Regardless to all of this, players need to remember that a ship will stay in space depending on their aggro timer. If someone can't scan down a maruader in less than 5 minutes, you suck at this game and need to HTFU. If you forget to have a ship in your fleet without an expanded scan probe launcher, then you again suck at this game and need to HTFU. If you forgot to train scanning skills, then you suck at this game and need to HTFU. You lazy gankers/pvpers need to stop whining when you lose a target because you did not do a little preparation. You do not deserve an easymode for pvp and ganking.

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I don't understand the whole e-warping after DC creates an easy escape thing. If you are scrammed you dont e-warp, and if you are not scrammed you do, same as if you were still on grid. How is this an easy escape? am i misunderstanding the mechanics here?

how do you scram a ship taht is IMMUNE TO EWAR?

In the case of a marauder , bubble it... its not gonna warp EVER!