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Faction standing juggle for HS-POS setup

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Rei Isamu
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-11 15:41:40 UTC
Hey guys

I have a question about standings for setting up HS-POSes.

So I have a medium tower but I found a place to setup a larger tower as well but my corp standing is low with only myself at high standing and 4 other characters with low standings.

Now I want to know how I can best modify my corps standings but there are a few questions:

1. When I kick members will the standings reset after the next dowtime or after 7 days?

2. Should it be 7 days can I kick members for an hour or 2 and reinvite them for the standings to reset? (in the end juggling them in and out of corp to not have them in for 7d straight)

3. Do members have to stay out of corp for 7d straight as well for their standings to disappear?

4. When I kick members do I have to wait till after DT to reinvite them for their standings to disappear?


I have asked several people and all told me a different story so I dont know which story is the most trustworthy.

I apologize beforehand if I posted in the wrong forum but I thought indy ppl know most about POSes in HS.

Looking forward to your replies, guys. o/
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-11 15:52:13 UTC
1) After the next DT
2) They can rejoin after DT, their standings will only count after another 7 days
3) See 1 and 2
4) See 2

In short, standings are recalculated after DT every day as an average of everyone who has been in the corp longer than 7 days (and has any standings whatsoever)
Rei Isamu
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-11 16:23:53 UTC
okay thanks I heard from many people that I needed to wait 7d for their standings to expire which would have made the standing system even more stupid than it is now.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2013-10-11 17:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Rei Isamu wrote:
okay thanks I heard from many people that I needed to wait 7d for their standings to expire which would have made the standing system even more stupid than it is now.



There are arguments about this, which is hard to believe, but I'm going to do it anyway.

I have done this about 6 times. It is most indeed a 7 day wait.

End of story.

"Standings are re-calculated daily at downtime and is a straight average of the unmodified racial standings of everyone who has been in the corporation for at least seven downtimes. If a pilot does not have any standings at all with the racial faction, then they are not counted towards the standings. If a pilot has been in the corporation for fewer then seven days / downtimes, then they are not counted towards the standings. "

" It is also possible to buy existing corporations with high standings and anchor POS towers before the standings drop at the next downtime (or after seven days in some situations). "

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/POS_Setup

So..the Real Answer is BOTH: 1 DT or 7 DT's.....depending. As your case is identical to mine, you will wait 7 DT's.


also: "The easiest way to get a corp up and running with the correct standings is to make a 1 player corp with a player who already has high faction standing personally. After 7 days the standings will jump to the average of all players in the corp not counting those with neutral standings. " http://www.eve-guides.com/poss/empirepos.php

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Zenito
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#5 - 2013-10-11 17:34:23 UTC
I'm the only member of my 3-character corp to have the required standings to anchor a POS in high-sec.
Expecting a 7 day wait, the other two took a holiday.
After 1 DT, the corp standings mirrored mine, so I could put up the POS.
The other two had to cut their holiday short and get back in the corp.
vov

Zenitoka Katanga

Clan Chieftain

"A fair bargain leaves both sides unhappy."

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2013-10-11 19:42:38 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
There are arguments about this, which is hard to believe, but I'm going to do it anyway.


Big reason for this is that it used to work differently, and not everybody keeps up on mechanics changes.
And, of course, whether they keep up on mechanics changes or not has very little relationship with their level of certainty.



If the OP (or their standings character) has been in the corp for more than 7 days, kicking the other members and waiting for the next DT will suffice. The other members can be re-invited at any time (after 7 days, the Corp standings will change, however).
If the OP (or their standings character) has not been in the corp for more than 7 days, they can kick the other members at any point and wait until the DT after their 7th full day in corp. The other members can be re-invited at any time (after they've been members for 7 days, the Corp standings will include their standings, however).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Rei Isamu
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-11 20:18:05 UTC
The thing is I have a standing of 7.xx and 4 other corp members with 0.5-1.5. so when I kick them for 1 hour the standings should be at 7.xx after DT until they are back in corp for 7 days.

I will have to see how my corp standings evolve after DT after I removed my alt for 3 hours and put him back in.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2013-10-12 00:09:28 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
There are arguments about this, which is hard to believe, but I'm going to do it anyway.

I have done this about 6 times. It is most indeed a 7 day wait.

End of story.

I've done it too, and it is only 7 days for a new corp, since everyone including the CEO is a new member.

Otherwise, I've only had remove people with low standing for one downtime.

One catch is that you must flush your cache to have the standing change.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#9 - 2013-10-12 11:16:43 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
There are arguments about this, which is hard to believe, but I'm going to do it anyway.

I have done this about 6 times. It is most indeed a 7 day wait.

End of story.

I've done it too, and it is only 7 days for a new corp, since everyone including the CEO is a new member.

Otherwise, I've only had remove people with low standing for one downtime.

One catch is that you must flush your cache to have the standing change.


This -- clearing the cache is key.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2013-10-12 12:18:08 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:


One catch is that you must flush your cache to have the standing change.



Yeah. I found that out 3 years ago after waiting for 9 DT's ! Big smile

But since then, I have only and only ever, had to wait the 7 DT's without exception.

That is all I know, and can know.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

IDunLikeBlastas
Italians do it better
#11 - 2013-10-23 15:19:32 UTC
Having the same issues (posted in the Issues and workaround subforum) as of now i used the method explained by tau cabalander and the standings after downtime WERE NOT the standing of this toon, so i guess the "slow migration" in around 7 day is the rule.

I flushed the cache from the client and manually, this toon was in the corp for more than 7 DT's, the other toon was kicked before this DT.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2013-10-23 15:56:37 UTC
IDunLikeBlastas wrote:
Having the same issues (posted in the Issues and workaround subforum) as of now i used the method explained by tau cabalander and the standings after downtime WERE NOT the standing of this toon, so i guess the "slow migration" in around 7 day is the rule.

I flushed the cache from the client and manually, this toon was in the corp for more than 7 DT's, the other toon was kicked before this DT.



After 3 years of doing this I can only assume the "One Downtime" crowd is just trolling the Forums.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Velicitia
XS Tech
#13 - 2013-10-23 16:10:48 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
IDunLikeBlastas wrote:
Having the same issues (posted in the Issues and workaround subforum) as of now i used the method explained by tau cabalander and the standings after downtime WERE NOT the standing of this toon, so i guess the "slow migration" in around 7 day is the rule.

I flushed the cache from the client and manually, this toon was in the corp for more than 7 DT's, the other toon was kicked before this DT.



After 3 years of doing this I can only assume the "One Downtime" crowd is just trolling the Forums.


Will put an alt in my corp (with horrific standings) today and see what happens when I kick it out in a week.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#14 - 2013-10-23 17:20:13 UTC
I just used the drop/join workaround a few months ago for my corp.

You can kick someone for as long as it takes for them to reapply and rejoin, it did not require one hour, one DT, etc. but see note below.

Their standings will not be included in the average for 7 DT's (I do think I got shorted a day though, probably due to NOT keeping them out for a DT)

I didn't flush the cache but it sounds like a good idea.

For a new corp it will take 7 DT's to get a corp average.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2013-10-24 06:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Rei Isamu wrote:
... my corp standing is low with only myself at high standing and 4 other characters with low standings.

As far as I can tell:

1m 16d : Rei Isamu
20d : Pure Phoenix
4d : Hanako Yukimori
3d : Raichie Soikutsu
2d : Deus Nyx

The first two should be included in the corp standing.

You should check the standing composition:

Neocom : Corporation -> Tab : Standings -> Liked By : Factions (right-click faction) -> Composition

Could be Pure Phoenix is the problem, as he didn't re-join recently.
IDunLikeBlastas
Italians do it better
#16 - 2013-10-24 21:20:52 UTC
As a 2nd downtime passed the corp standing mirrored mine exactly.

For the usual sake of completion this char joined the corp the 15th and became the only member on the 23rd before the downtime, after the DT on the 24th the standings of the corp mirrored the standing of the charachter