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I didn't read this, but I'm almost certain a simple link to a spreadsheet would have been better.

That is equal to over 84.28m ISK per hour.


That is equal to 130k ISK / hour or even less if that life term is good for over 10 years.


Add $15 or $20 for a buddy (or more) which is equal to another PLEX for the cost of 1 month subscription.
That would further increase the cost of making a profit on all the pilots.

Any subscription which is 3 months or longer (like those yearly subscription rates) would be lowering the profit margin.
(Compared to the 1 month terms that is. Also to note, it is less costly to pay 1 month than use a PLEX to convert to subscription time.
The difference is about 25% which was the limited US sale value.
I have to increase my asset capital.
I am better to buy PLEX from CCP and sell PLEX on the ingame market (for ingame ISK) until then.

The income difference ratio is 648 times greater, whether in amplitude, parabolically or hyperbolically or other.

Don't worry Sexy Cakes, it's just meant for graphical representation so to speed up reading data in some form...

(It doesn't make the extraction of data for reuse easier though...)

https://secure.eveonline.com/buy/
12 Month
360 days
+
Advanced Cerebral Accelerator
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
$8.00 a month
$95.95 total
You save $88.45

= divided by 12 = $8 / mth @ 720 hours per month = $0.011 / hr extra cost additional to the previous equivalent costs / income .
But that is not the number we are looking for. What we need is the equivalent amount in ISK per hour compared to PLEX value.
$95.95 - 2 PLEX @ $34.99 = $60.96 - 2 PLEX @ $34.99 = $25.97 - 1 PLEX @ $19.95 = $6.02
= 5 PLEX = @ 607,180,001.00 for 3 in Jita IV - Moon 4 Navy, and 2 @ 607,000,000.00 = 3,035,540,003 ISK = 3.035b ISK.
3.035b ISK / 12 months = 252,961,666 ISK = 252m ISK divided by 720 hours in one month = 351,335.64 ISK / hr
= 351k ISK / hr.
Minus the value of the Advanced Cerebral Accelerator (check in contracts as it's not listed on the market).
+ the previous 130k ISK / hr or less
= 481, 335 ISK / hr.

@ $8.99 / mth (for 6 months, $53.95) = + $0.01248 / hr
@ 10.32 / mth (for 3 months, $30.95) = + $0.0143 / hr
@ $13.95 / mth (for 1 months) = + $0.019375 / hr = $27.9 / 2 months = 1 PLEX / 2 mnths = + 421,527 ISK /hr
84.28m ISK per hour + 421,527 ISK /hr
= 84.701m ISK / hr.

A little bit more or less with normal EVE Time @
3 months @ $38.95
6 months @ 71.70
12 months @ 131.40 (I'll have to calculate the exact ratio later.)
But the point is to find the equivalent value in PLEX (only full amount, no remainders).
Compare that amount with the ingame market value which value fluctuates.

I didn't have the time to calculate the last parts at normal EVE time rates.

Nevertheless, the rates are a bit higher (even if that is by a very
small amount).


The rates of equivalent ingame costs varies between 0.5 million
ingame ISK per hour
to over 84 million ingame ISK per hour.



There are also other costs, like collateral losses which I will
probably link in the Market Discussions later on.

It is more for referrence than to be followed to be honest.
The numbers are there to allow for verification in case of doubt or scepticism.
The numbers also serve for accuracy although accuracy is not the derivative of the precise ratio.

The point is to avoid further useless internet costs of playing EVE Online without making profit.
It is not hard to spend over $400 to $1,000 just because of losses and promises of gain based on lower costs.
Everyone else with lower costs can manage to get some ISK but at higher costs only 'valid' Character Bazaar transfer make up for the costs.

I currently had to calculate this to prove the cost of buying PLEX were more worthwhile for me than others.
Let's say compared to mining at 2 million per hour with 3 Ventures and 1 Cyclone, the Cyclone being for rats prevention.
Mining in 0.5 with rats that can destroy new Ventures in the time it takes for the lag to dissipate on mutil-client is not profitable.
Add in the equation an unnamed Skiff challenging it to a duel -vs- it's 100 dps with reduced turrets from 4 or 5 to 2.
I was lucky I didn't loose the 25m to 100m worth Cyclone which would further add to the profit versus costs ratio.
After webifying and Warp scrambling my 5 drones were destroyed and the Skiff T2 drones were killing me.
The High end Battleship EHP vessel wasn't even down to 50% shield.

$400 to $1,000 easily is worth the 28 PLEX offer which is at current market value:
615m ISK x 28 = 17.220b ISK, enough for 5 months or more in Null sec with protection from Alliances or Coalition.

Or enough for a nice pilot or 2, or a mining fleet, or more skill than my current levels all at under 6 million SP.
On the higher end of that amount, it is more than 32b ISK for twice the numbers listed above.

(+ I never posted on the WoW forums except once to say hi around the beginning.)
39m SP for 7b ISK start
45m SP for 13b ISK buyout
74m SP for 25b ISK b/o (carrier capital and dread pilot super cap.)
99m sp for 34b ISK b/o PvP Carrier and Dread pilot.
73m SP for 15b ISK start 25b ISK b/o
http://eveboard.com/pilot/10_Percenter
107m SP for 38b ISK or lower offers welcome.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Kiamoso

Ot even more than the 2 Second Decade Collector's Edition...

Watch out with the buddy's too. But multi-character training doesn't cost much more internet time even at $3 / hr or more around Brazil. That goes up to around $100 / hour or more by satellite over there...

But, running multiple buddy requires higher EVE Time costs payments as well.

It takes me 10 minutes or less to update my Skill queue lately.
I used to have to patch from start due to the reboot array scheme which took 30 minutes to log in.
I think they made a deal with the place I log ingame from so that I don't have to do the whole 30-50 minutes update anymore.

I sometimes have some problems to get the client to login quickly.
It only goes to Cargo Bay from the Captain's Quarter, which then takes longer.

It's worth more to buy PLEX (up to a limited number) depending on the cost of play time.
It is due to the potential cost of playing without enough ingame income.
If you make 100m+ ISK / hr I'm currently being offered, then it's not worth the same.
However, it's still cost me 10 hours or so to get my ingame ISK income level to cost to get that ingame income ratio covered.

Which 10 hours of ingame time still translates to $15 for me. I save $5 on the PLEX value.
However, the remaining $5 would allow me to make 300m ISK which is only 50% of a PLEX.
I'd then still be better to buy a PLEX instead of spending on Null Sec Rental.

At 150m per hour or more, then it becomes more worthwhile.
I could cover my costs in 8 hours which is still $15.
But the 4 hours extra would let me get 600m ISK which is just under the current value.

At 175m ISK per hour or more, then I make a slight profit, but it takes me the time to do it.
PLEX value is amost instant although that it gives no Skill Points.

At 200m per hour income, it'd take me 6 hours to get 1.2b ISK cost covered.
The remaining 6 hours from the equivalent cost of a PLEx at $20 for 1 would give me 1.2b.
The value of 2 PLEX for the cost of one, where I start getting free PLEX value or , free game play.

To make a PLEX on top of my game time would require more income.
250m / hr in 5 hours = 1.25b ISK.
7 hours = 1,75b ISK - EVE Time = 2 PLEX + 536m ISK (almost a free PLEX).

(There are also other problems like annoyingly being told to shut up.
This when a password sequence not supposed to be there pops up.
Having problems with the French keyboard scheme when the system has no way to control it.)

I will say one good thing about what the OP is trying to do...

... the part of coming up with rough play hours per item creation
(I think that's one of the things he's trying to do) that is useful in it's own separate right - if not connected to $


None of that could be done with any super precision.. but .. guessing ranges and using numbers at the center of the range will get you orders of magnitude.... and the numbers derived will allow easy comparison between player hours to create other items using the same metrics.

I don't know one thing about mining (even after years in the game.. I've done a dozen mining missions but that's about it)

BUT... whether my numbers are wrong or not.. say it took 10 hours of mining to get the materials to make a Drake and get the materials to a NPC factory where you already owned the BPO (take the bpo part out of it for now)

--- So, using the above a Drake costs 10 player hours
--- I know a Raven takes more materials Does a raven take 3 times a Drake? a rave is worth 30 player hours if a drake is 10 player hours?


Here is where the $ figures using the $ cost and isk/plex cost as the one sort of $ value can go sideways...

--- 10 hours for a guy working at McDonalds = $60 (and the after taxes per hour in CA with a $10 minimum wage might be more)
-- 10 hours for a consultant netting $50 an hour = $500

In game hours is a fair way of calculating a "cost" (cost in hours) of an item.
-- is the real world value using that "opportunity cost of working" value of a drake $60 or $500 ? what would you put on a kill mail? lol ... like I said in the above post.. its all contextual

I do think a rough number of "Game-hours" without a conversion.. as an alternative to "Plex$Value" would be a good "order of magnitude number..


... but best of all to compare items? ISK .. lol the in-game currency.. fancy that!

I will add a post that I saved and didn't publish later, even though I could have it scheduled for posting on http://Tumblr.com and linked from here.

But I will now add, prior to the above, that I am currently gathering data on the costs of learning.
Those costs include the login time, the patching time if any.
There are a few other details like the planning phase and the new (hardcopy) Print-outs I will now do.

Other Additional costs to be included in the equation to derive the Actual Income or Costs for me so far were :

1. The cost in time and money it took me to run and intall EVE Wallet from which I exported Ingame business data.

2. The indirect cost of delays caused by the installation of a new printer while having to print a resume.
That resume was intended for a 9 to 5 interview window valid for a work contract including a $400 + training (offered for free).

This 2nd derivative added into the equation more than doubled my original total costs.
It also make the EVE Online ingame income reduced by another half or more.

3. That is in fact even after other possible discrimination occured to another guaranteed job offer I had.
This would have costed me another $333 (taxes included) but would have generated $2,400 a month in income.
It is not directly related to the printer change above (or that printer going to a private residence for a new business model).
However, the money from the second job offer with paid trraining to pay for the first job offer training to get $2,400 is a cheesy scheme.

4. It also obviously delays my EVE Online ingame income which to this point is limited to the Character Bazaar due to cost per benefit ratio.
It looks more like specific data analysis of data field used by intelligence to delay and hide their scheme as if discrimination.

This thread is kind of pointless (not disregarding the op effort) but if youre playing eve suposedly youre not worrying about internet costs.

The game is just not for you, accept it and move on, stop playing.

Cause who the hell cares about internet costs in 2013 anymore, not anyones fault you live in a 3rd world country.