EVE General Discussion

no worries. your griefer tears should keep it afloat and on top for a good few few weeks

Bumping this important announcement.

This is the 285th post.

Would actually appreciate a CCP response to whether or not the 'dec mechanics are being looked at.

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This has made highsec assets 100% invulnerable to wars, No counter. Thanks for breaking eve.

Sooper has no point, because they don't play all over New Eden.

This is intended as a bump. It is intentional.
CCP - Some news on what the plans might be to fix this ? Anything ? Pretty please ? Just a dim light on the horizon even ?

While I'm glad this announcement effectively means the end of using WARDECs as an extortion tool by large griefer alliances and corporations against smaller newbie corporations, it does not fix the WARDEC system. I would prefer it to be fixed so that it addresses the griefer issue, but at the same time determines victory conditions in a WARDEC and the type of payout to the victor. As written on my blog a while back, I suggested the following fixes to the WARDEC system:

(1) Corporations under 15 players are not valid WARDEC targets. Corporations that start out will consist of players that does PvE stuff before the corporation becomes large enough to generate the ISK required to create a PvP wing once POSes come into question.

(2) Wars are consensual. Both sides MUST agree to fight in order for a war to be valid. There should also be a mechanism that defines the win condition (the total lost ships or structures, total pilots killed, or even a timer to complete a specific condition) in the declaration.

(3) There should be a reward system, again mutually accepted and programmed into the consensual agreement in (2), something like a contract that says ISK must be paid or goods given to the winner of the war. Perhaps the liquidation of a corporation or alliance can be used as a sort of war goal.

(4) There should be a new war tab in the corporation control panel that shows past wars, what the victory conditions were, and who won and what the reward was. The API could also store that information and make it retrievable to programmers.

That would be a logistics nightmare and would make your proposal unworkable. Who would be the CEO? What would the corporaiton plan be? No one would even try this because it would be a corporation with multiple identity problems.



Absolutely not. This will make a war mean something for a change. WARDECs will no longer be an opportunity to griefer ransom a newbie corporation, or pad one's killboard to show they are a bad mo-fo when in fact they are not.

And my suggestion never takes away your right to attack someone's high-sec assets. You can still do that even without a WARDEC system in place. I've been podded and I've lost ships outside of a WARDEC in high-sec space.

You don't even need a large corporation or an alliance to raise ISK and plan strategy to make this happen . Want proof this is possible? The last 4 Hulkageddons. An organized offensive on the grandest PVP scale possible, complete with military goals and rewards for obtaining those goals.



It's needed for several reasons. First, the WARDEC system does not have a way to determine who actually wins a war and earns the bragging rights of being the victor. My proposal clearly defines who won, who lost.

Second it makes having a war mean something for a change and not just to show you can steal some kid's candy bar or bike. Anyone can do that. Try standing up to someone who can fight back and you will have my admiration instead of my scorn.



EVE Online is a sandbox. It does not have a clearly defined meaning. It is how you want to play it.

Sure it can work. It limped along reasonably well even in it's broken form with a little help from the GMs. The problem was, that the GMs where still basicly just covering for the faults of a mechanic full of loopholes, that CCP has refused to revisit and actually fix. I can understand them not wanting to waste GM time on it, especially when so many people were being fired from CCP. The sensible thing to do now is to get CCP to look at the wardec system and have them decide how it should work and make mechanics, that are robust enough to actually support that goal and to fix issues that arise in the new system instead of dumping the problems on the GM team.

I don't agree on throwing out the wardec system, since it provides an almost exclusive way to attack some targets or disrupt operations. Hulkageddon style operations aren't and can't be a replacement for wardecs. They can become exceedingly expensive to run or have very limited target selection and the disruption to normal operations are weak by comparison. They can gank easy targets or limited targets of opportunity, but are minor nuicance at best against a half decently run operation. Without a new working system for wardecs, CCP has basicly given a practical immunity to many high value targets and operations in highsec. This is just wrong/broken and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.