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Hormone1971
Caldari 1
Caldari Alliance
#1 - 2013-10-22 05:54:53 UTC
This was an old topic that was quite helpful for all but needs some updating since some new ships have come about and ship changes since the latest update.
When I say Frig or Cruiser it also includes Faction, Pirate and T2 versions if you so wish to include into on.

This was the old post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2564848#post2564848



I am asking the greater PVP community to help clarify some ships with their good and bad points.
This will of course be handy for me but I would put money on the fact that many others will benefit from this info.
It need not be comprehensive nor am I wanting actual fits just why XXX ship is good or bad.
Eg: The Slasher is great solo as its fast with great tank (example only, no idea if that is true or false)

Amarr Frigs
Caldari Frigs
Gallente Frigs
Minmatar Frigs

Amarr Desi
Caldari Desi
Gallente Desi
Minmatar Desi

Amarr Cruiser
Caldari Cruiser
Gallente Cruiser
Minmatar Cruiser

Any smark folks out there care to assist?
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#2 - 2013-10-22 18:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Hormone1971 wrote:
This was an old topic that was quite helpful for all but needs some updating since some new ships have come about and ship changes since the latest update.
When I say Frig or Cruiser it also includes Faction, Pirate and T2 versions if you so wish to include into on.

This was the old post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2564848#post2564848



I am asking the greater PVP community to help clarify some ships with their good and bad points.
This will of course be handy for me but I would put money on the fact that many others will benefit from this info.
It need not be comprehensive nor am I wanting actual fits just why XXX ship is good or bad.
Eg: The Slasher is great solo as its fast with great tank (example only, no idea if that is true or false)

Amarr Frigs
Caldari Frigs
Gallente Frigs
Minmatar Frigs

Amarr Desi
Caldari Desi
Gallente Desi
Minmatar Desi

Amarr Cruiser
Caldari Cruiser
Gallente Cruiser
Minmatar Cruiser

Any smark folks out there care to assist?



Well if you are trying to play for the 'Meta' in regards to solo / small gang < 30 ships then I would say this:

1. All frigs are pretty pointless. Barring the merlin for your fast disposable hard (scram web) tackle, and a proper long point stilleto the use of frigs has been pretty much over shadowed by other ships. Sadly the romantic idea of fast tackle (interceptors what have you) being relevant to scout / chase down other ships from many ships out is purely fiction when placed in a practical sense.

But for solo the best frigs:

Pulse Kiting Retribution
Rail Devil / Dare Devil
Arty Wolf
Dramiel
Slicer
Tranis
Hookbill

2. Destroyers are all bad. Never fly them. They are slower than T1 crusiers, have a weaker tank, less dps, less projection, and are just a really poor class of ships. Dictors still have some usefulness, however they are not generally seen in small gang / solo.

3. Cruisers ahh the meta. T1 cruisers, and most ships of this class are hands down the best ships in the game curently. They provide pilots with high flexibility, and great engagement profiles. The best T1 cruiser by far ist he RLM caracal. Basically the cruisers all typify the Nano ideal. They are fast, agile, and have projected DPS. RLM Caracal, Pulse Shield / AAR NOmen, Scythe Fleet, Navy Osprey, Omen, Cynabal, Vagabond, Rail Shield Diemos / Navy Exq, Cerberus, Ishtar, Bellicose are all really solid ships and I feel that these should be your primary ship class for any Fleet. Best Class in game, best ships in game can currently be found here.

So that about covers it. Any ship not mentioned, is one that I would never fly for one reason or another. But if I were you- stick to T1 cruisers / cruisers in general. They provide a great engagement profile and will net you some nice PvP.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#3 - 2013-10-22 20:17:07 UTC
Hmm frigs useless......Nope Lol

Don't listen so much to Chessur...if you want to fly frigs/dessy go for it and have fun. FW space is all about frigs/dessy.

General low sec has more cruisers now than before but don't be fooled into thinking a frig is useless or you'll be really annoyed when a good frig pilots come and whelps all over your cruiser leaving you in your pod.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-22 20:27:49 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Hormone1971 wrote:
This was an old topic that was quite helpful for all but needs some updating since some new ships have come about and ship changes since the latest update.
When I say Frig or Cruiser it also includes Faction, Pirate and T2 versions if you so wish to include into on.

This was the old post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2564848#post2564848



I am asking the greater PVP community to help clarify some ships with their good and bad points.
This will of course be handy for me but I would put money on the fact that many others will benefit from this info.
It need not be comprehensive nor am I wanting actual fits just why XXX ship is good or bad.
Eg: The Slasher is great solo as its fast with great tank (example only, no idea if that is true or false)

Amarr Frigs
Caldari Frigs
Gallente Frigs
Minmatar Frigs

Amarr Desi
Caldari Desi
Gallente Desi
Minmatar Desi

Amarr Cruiser
Caldari Cruiser
Gallente Cruiser
Minmatar Cruiser

Any smark folks out there care to assist?



Well if you are trying to play for the 'Meta' in regards to solo / small gang < 30 ships then I would say this:

1. All frigs are pretty pointless. Barring the merlin for your fast disposable hard (scram web) tackle, and a proper long point stilleto the use of frigs has been pretty much over shadowed by other ships. Sadly the romantic idea of fast tackle (interceptors what have you) being relevant to scout / chase down other ships from many ships out is purely fiction when placed in a practical sense.

But for solo the best frigs:

Pulse Kiting Retribution
Rail Devil / Dare Devil
Arty Wolf
Dramiel
Slicer
Tranis
Hookbill

2. Destroyers are all bad. Never fly them. They are slower than T1 crusiers, have a weaker tank, less dps, less projection, and are just a really poor class of ships. Dictors still have some usefulness, however they are not generally seen in small gang / solo.

3. Cruisers ahh the meta. T1 cruisers, and most ships of this class are hands down the best ships in the game curently. They provide pilots with high flexibility, and great engagement profiles. The best T1 cruiser by far ist he RLM caracal. Basically the cruisers all typify the Nano ideal. They are fast, agile, and have projected DPS. RLM Caracal, Pulse Shield / AAR NOmen, Scythe Fleet, Navy Osprey, Omen, Cynabal, Vagabond, Rail Shield Diemos / Navy Exq, Cerberus, Ishtar, Bellicose are all really solid ships and I feel that these should be your primary ship class for any Fleet. Best Class in game, best ships in game can currently be found here.

So that about covers it. Any ship not mentioned, is one that I would never fly for one reason or another. But if I were you- stick to T1 cruisers / cruisers in general. They provide a great engagement profile and will net you some nice PvP.


Honestly, man, I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. I've solo'd hundreds of ships in various destroyers--from frigates to faction cruisers to battleships. The advantage of a destroyer is its speed, DPS, and ability to hit small targets. They are ideal for attacking stragglers or scouts from larger fleets and making a kill before your opponents can do anything about it, all while risking very little.

In fact, your whole post reads as though the nano/kiting paradigm is the only way to solo (this might explain your attitude on destroyers, too). I have a lot of solo kills and very few of them were in kiting setups.
Denuo Secus
#5 - 2013-10-22 20:29:05 UTC
All overhauled ships are in pretty good shape now. The CCP balance team did a really good job imo. You can make almost all of them work. They have ofc strengths in certain tactics (i.e. Condor = kite, Incursus = brawl)...but from my own experience (FW) there isn't a really bad one at the moment.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#6 - 2013-10-22 22:29:48 UTC
@ Taoist Dragon Would love to see a frig try and kill my Caracal / Cerb. I slaughter them in droves, and so should any properly fit cruiser that i mentioned. Frigs are bad solo / small gang PvP platforms, unless you like fighting just a few frigs, don't fly them.

@ Gorn Arming: There is no way that a destroyer can kill a competent PvP fit battle ship, battle cruiser, or cruiser. If you mean- can I kill retards with them, well yes. Even pilgrim pilots get kills.

You also mention that I Only speak from a Nano / Kiting point of view- and yes this is true. The reason why, is simply because not flying this way means that you will end up being unable to fight in many PvP situations presented to you. It will also gimp your ability to get kills in 'outnumbered' situations. Not choosing to fly nano, is really a poor playstle and shows a severe lack in EvE PvP understanding. Glancing through your kill boards, I notice that most of your kills are simply 1v1 Isolated kills. Very rarely if ever have I seen any evidence of you trying to engage targets that have numerical superiority / fight gangs. Camping gates in a cloaky sabre does not count as PvP. So please, stop trying to speak about subjects that you have very little practical experience in.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#7 - 2013-10-22 22:59:27 UTC
Well then here is my 2 isk on the retribution, my frig of choice.

Pro: *Scorch
* Can be fit to be beefy and still have good speed but a bit lacking on DPS (cant have the best of all worlds)
* if run in a small gang you could be a rather effective tackle and run with t2 beams for anti drone support (wouldn't suggest this unless you have to since other ships do it better *cough cough vengeance* but it works if you have too)
*Smexy

Con *locked damage types: IMO not that big of an issue on the small scale.
*2 mids meaning tackle and prop mod and no web, but as some have mentioned before with this ship sometimes you can just rock a web and some folks dont notice they are not scramed or just dont care.


As with all frigs its all about proper engagement. Can you get under the guys guns? Can you effectively stay out of this guys firing range? Do you have enough tank to survive "X" and possibly "Y" to pop him?



Now to my battleship of choice because eff it im bored.

I like the new Armageddon, and when RHML comes out this ship will be a great ship to fly solo even.

Pro * can field a real beefy tank and still get respectable DPS
* large drone bay so you can have many tactical options
* Long range heavy nuets. nuf said
* Your flying a golden dildo, get imaginative with insults in local

Con * It is still a battleship so therefore slow so dont expect to tackle anything and expect to always be outnumbered if you fly solo in it
*no bonused main weapon so your dps will lack compared to other boats (actual dps not paper) You can still fit turrets or launchers though.
* Drones can be destroyed

When rubicon comes ill update the Armageddon post here because i will be flying it solo to give those HRML a real workout.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#8 - 2013-10-22 23:19:10 UTC
Chessur, your correctness doesn't give you the right to be a ****.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#9 - 2013-10-22 23:20:18 UTC
Chessur wrote:
@ Taoist Dragon Would love to see a frig try and kill my Caracal / Cerb. I slaughter them in droves, and so should any properly fit cruiser that i mentioned. Frigs are bad solo / small gang PvP platforms, unless you like fighting just a few frigs, don't fly them.

@ Gorn Arming: There is no way that a destroyer can kill a competent PvP fit battle ship, battle cruiser, or cruiser. If you mean- can I kill retards with them, well yes. Even pilgrim pilots get kills.

You also mention that I Only speak from a Nano / Kiting point of view- and yes this is true. The reason why, is simply because not flying this way means that you will end up being unable to fight in many PvP situations presented to you. It will also gimp your ability to get kills in 'outnumbered' situations. Not choosing to fly nano, is really a poor playstle and shows a severe lack in EvE PvP understanding. Glancing through your kill boards, I notice that most of your kills are simply 1v1 Isolated kills. Very rarely if ever have I seen any evidence of you trying to engage targets that have numerical superiority / fight gangs. Camping gates in a cloaky sabre does not count as PvP. So please, stop trying to speak about subjects that you have very little practical experience in.


My lawd.

Brawling is a perfectly valid tactic and pretty much all frigates and destroyers are valid ships to fly.

For 1vs1 life is pretty simple and you will find a good choice of ships across the board from T1 > Faction > T2 as well as dessies, avoid flying Rifters and avoid flying anything that needs to long-point kite to start off with as kiting is, well, harder. Incursus/Merlins/Tristans/Slashers/Tormentors and Atrons all seem to be the most popular and all have a few different fits you can choose from, I would recommed having a read through failheap and seeing what you can see.

As for brawling in 1vs multiple situations its all about the separation, peel things away from there allys until you think you can safely kill said thing without getting caught, brawl in gank it and then pull range and repeat, obviously this has to be done with MWD frigates generally so things are a little different in terms of fits and range control however its pretty simple once you get the hang of it.
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-10-23 01:39:11 UTC
Chessur wrote:
@ Taoist Dragon Would love to see a frig try and kill my Caracal / Cerb. I slaughter them in droves, and so should any properly fit cruiser that i mentioned. Frigs are bad solo / small gang PvP platforms, unless you like fighting just a few frigs, don't fly them.

@ Gorn Arming: There is no way that a destroyer can kill a competent PvP fit battle ship, battle cruiser, or cruiser. If you mean- can I kill retards with them, well yes. Even pilgrim pilots get kills.

You also mention that I Only speak from a Nano / Kiting point of view- and yes this is true. The reason why, is simply because not flying this way means that you will end up being unable to fight in many PvP situations presented to you. It will also gimp your ability to get kills in 'outnumbered' situations. Not choosing to fly nano, is really a poor playstle and shows a severe lack in EvE PvP understanding. Glancing through your kill boards, I notice that most of your kills are simply 1v1 Isolated kills. Very rarely if ever have I seen any evidence of you trying to engage targets that have numerical superiority / fight gangs. Camping gates in a cloaky sabre does not count as PvP. So please, stop trying to speak about subjects that you have very little practical experience in.

You're a flat, honest-to-god idiot, Chessur. This is the kind of awful posting (and worse thinking) that I though was beneath FA. You don't know jack **** about the circumstances under which I engage targets because attacking a group, picking off one target, and then getting out alive looks suspiciously like fighting a loner later on Eve-Kill.

And you can sit here and tout your "no true scotsman" nonsense about killing cruisers and up with destroyers all day long--it doesn't change anything.

I've looked at your killboard, too, Chessur. I'm not stupid enough to try to infer the details of those engagements from a simple kill report, but I would say that your methods don't seem to be bringing you much success. Maybe it's time to try a new strategy.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-10-23 04:15:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Garviel Tarrant
Chessur wrote:
@ Taoist Dragon Would love to see a frig try and kill my Caracal / Cerb. I slaughter them in droves, and so should any properly fit cruiser that i mentioned. Frigs are bad solo / small gang PvP platforms, unless you like fighting just a few frigs, don't fly them.
.


A lot of those only slaughter frigs that are far away. The omen for example is an easy kill for any frigate if you get on top of it...

And a destroyer can easily kill a competent pvp fit battleship assuming that its one without a healthy supply of drones. Again, get on top > enjoy the way tracking works. Although of course an AF would have an easier job at this.

Also i maintain that the NOmen and the omen are highly, highly overrated to the point where they are actually kinda ****. Amazing what a pvp video will do to the meta.


And finally saying that something is a bad solo platform because you don't like fighting frigates is kinda dumb. All in all you seem to be kinda ignoring the rock, paper scissors thing we got going in eve with tracking and signatures, just going for bigger is better (And in a lot lot LOT of cases thats right) but you know.. its also not right a lot of the time.


Edit: And to the gentleman above me i must disagree, Chessur's pvp record looks rather solid.

Doesn't make him right but he clearly isn't an awful pvper.

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Temporary Amnesia
EVE Corporation 98582134
#12 - 2013-10-23 04:28:32 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Hormone1971 wrote:
This was an old topic that was quite helpful for all but needs some updating since some new ships have come about and ship changes since the latest update.
When I say Frig or Cruiser it also includes Faction, Pirate and T2 versions if you so wish to include into on.

This was the old post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2564848#post2564848



I am asking the greater PVP community to help clarify some ships with their good and bad points.
This will of course be handy for me but I would put money on the fact that many others will benefit from this info.
It need not be comprehensive nor am I wanting actual fits just why XXX ship is good or bad.
Eg: The Slasher is great solo as its fast with great tank (example only, no idea if that is true or false)

Amarr Frigs
Caldari Frigs
Gallente Frigs
Minmatar Frigs

Amarr Desi
Caldari Desi
Gallente Desi
Minmatar Desi

Amarr Cruiser
Caldari Cruiser
Gallente Cruiser
Minmatar Cruiser

Any smark folks out there care to assist?



Well if you are trying to play for the 'Meta' in regards to solo / small gang < 30 ships then I would say this:

1. All frigs are pretty pointless. Barring the merlin for your fast disposable hard (scram web) tackle, and a proper long point stilleto the use of frigs has been pretty much over shadowed by other ships. Sadly the romantic idea of fast tackle (interceptors what have you) being relevant to scout / chase down other ships from many ships out is purely fiction when placed in a practical sense.

But for solo the best frigs:

Pulse Kiting Retribution
Rail Devil / Dare Devil
Arty Wolf
Dramiel
Slicer
Tranis
Hookbill

2. Destroyers are all bad. Never fly them. They are slower than T1 crusiers, have a weaker tank, less dps, less projection, and are just a really poor class of ships. Dictors still have some usefulness, however they are not generally seen in small gang / solo.

3. Cruisers ahh the meta. T1 cruisers, and most ships of this class are hands down the best ships in the game curently. They provide pilots with high flexibility, and great engagement profiles. The best T1 cruiser by far ist he RLM caracal. Basically the cruisers all typify the Nano ideal. They are fast, agile, and have projected DPS. RLM Caracal, Pulse Shield / AAR NOmen, Scythe Fleet, Navy Osprey, Omen, Cynabal, Vagabond, Rail Shield Diemos / Navy Exq, Cerberus, Ishtar, Bellicose are all really solid ships and I feel that these should be your primary ship class for any Fleet. Best Class in game, best ships in game can currently be found here.

So that about covers it. Any ship not mentioned, is one that I would never fly for one reason or another. But if I were you- stick to T1 cruisers / cruisers in general. They provide a great engagement profile and will net you some nice PvP.


Your inexperience is evident from your posting.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#13 - 2013-10-23 05:15:26 UTC
Chessur wrote:
@ Taoist Dragon Would love to see a frig try and kill my Caracal / Cerb. I slaughter them in droves, and so should any properly fit cruiser that i mentioned. Frigs are bad solo / small gang PvP platforms, unless you like fighting just a few frigs, don't fly them.


Yeah because no frig ever kills a cruiser in pvp Roll

Chessur wrote:
@ Gorn Arming: There is no way that a destroyer can kill a competent PvP fit battle ship, battle cruiser, or cruiser. If you mean- can I kill retards with them, well yes. Even pilgrim pilots get kills.

You also mention that I Only speak from a Nano / Kiting point of view- and yes this is true. The reason why, is simply because not flying this way means that you will end up being unable to fight in many PvP situations presented to you. It will also gimp your ability to get kills in 'outnumbered' situations. Not choosing to fly nano, is really a poor playstle and shows a severe lack in EvE PvP understanding. Glancing through your kill boards, I notice that most of your kills are simply 1v1 Isolated kills. Very rarely if ever have I seen any evidence of you trying to engage targets that have numerical superiority / fight gangs. Camping gates in a cloaky sabre does not count as PvP. So please, stop trying to speak about subjects that you have very little practical experience in.


Because there is only one way to actually pvp in eve!! Shocked

And tbh trolling someone through their KB is pretty pathetic argument because killmails rarely ever tell the full story of an engagement.

So I'll now sit and wait for the reply slamming all my frig 1v1 kills cos they only show me ganking retards Roll

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2013-10-23 11:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Quote:

You're a flat, honest-to-god idiot, Chessur. This is the kind of awful posting (and worse thinking) that I though was beneath FA. You don't know jack **** about the circumstances under which I engage targets because attacking a group, picking off one target, and then getting out alive looks suspiciously like fighting a loner later on Eve-Kill.

And you can sit here and tout your "no true scotsman" nonsense about killing cruisers and up with destroyers all day long--it doesn't change anything.

I've looked at your killboard, too, Chessur. I'm not stupid enough to try to infer the details of those engagements from a simple kill report, but I would say that your methods don't seem to be bringing you much success. Maybe it's time to try a new strategy.


Yep, no Idea what im doing. check that BR. Slightly off, because the people 'in my fleet' were in fact not. That was me engaging one gang, in a caracal.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16455311

Or this:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16036883

Or how about this?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=18675507

I could keep going, but frankly any more effort would be more than you deserve.

And yes, I do know more than Jack **** when I look at your kills. They are isolated incidents, mostly separated over long periods of time- and in different sytems. I will say again, you have little to no practical experience when it comes to real solo / Small gang. Also, most of your kills are either
a. Pods
b. Noob ships
c. Kills you 'achived' while flying in huge blob fleets

@ Temporary Amnesia- Call me what ever you want, your opinion is irrelevant considering your PvP history.

@ Taoist Dragon: A lone frig killing a cruiser, is a huge exception- not the standard. I will repeat- It shouldn't happen, if ever that a frigate will solo, will kill a proper PvP fit cruiser I placed on that list.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#15 - 2013-10-23 11:37:52 UTC
Chessur for a person thats obviously a half decent PVPer you really have no idea about some things.
Quontor Zarrkos
Island Monkeys
#16 - 2013-10-23 12:19:28 UTC
Frigs are not useless, they are disposable and can do very interesting things against certain ships. I remember killing a talos with 2 assault frigates, and I'm pretty sure you can kill one with a solo enyo if you fit it right. There are a lot of ships with inadequate defense against smaller ships where you can abuse your signature radius and speed to pose a real problem. When fighting a gang of nano ships with a tankier gang it's great to have a dual MSE speed-fit jaguar with a scram with you to tackle. There are numerous occasions when frigates are useful and with the warp speed changes they will become even better.
Varrinox
Shadows of the Empire
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#17 - 2013-10-23 12:21:00 UTC
A CFC peon saying no frigs/dessies are good just shows his blindness to pvp in rest of eve outside Nullsec sov(blob) warfare.

As for the specifics of you asking which ships are good or bad and why. Anyone who tries to explain these things in a few paragraphs either doesn't really know what they are talking about or doesn't care about missing out 90% of info. Eve pvp at a small scale of numbers is an excessively complicated thing with an almost innumerable amount of variables to consider.

Best advice is to go out and experience it for yourself. Forums posts teach you next to nothing, though they may point you in the right direction and open your eyes.

PS to the haters and trolls. **** you in advance.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-10-23 13:04:00 UTC
Frigate: Incursus / Daredevil
Destroyer: Talwar
Cruiser: Caracal / Augoror Navy Issue

The faction / pirate ships are great, but are a different price range all together. You kind of step away from the 'throw away ships' mentality them. Unless you are filthy spacerich of course. :P
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#19 - 2013-10-23 16:03:00 UTC
Varrinox wrote:
A CFC peon saying no frigs/dessies are good just shows his blindness to pvp in rest of eve outside Nullsec sov(blob) warfare.

As for the specifics of you asking which ships are good or bad and why. Anyone who tries to explain these things in a few paragraphs either doesn't really know what they are talking about or doesn't care about missing out 90% of info. Eve pvp at a small scale of numbers is an excessively complicated thing with an almost innumerable amount of variables to consider.

Best advice is to go out and experience it for yourself. Forums posts teach you next to nothing, though they may point you in the right direction and open your eyes.

PS to the haters and trolls. **** you in advance.



Yes because I do so much blob warfare Roll
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-10-23 18:13:26 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Quote:

You're a flat, honest-to-god idiot, Chessur. This is the kind of awful posting (and worse thinking) that I though was beneath FA. You don't know jack **** about the circumstances under which I engage targets because attacking a group, picking off one target, and then getting out alive looks suspiciously like fighting a loner later on Eve-Kill.

And you can sit here and tout your "no true scotsman" nonsense about killing cruisers and up with destroyers all day long--it doesn't change anything.

I've looked at your killboard, too, Chessur. I'm not stupid enough to try to infer the details of those engagements from a simple kill report, but I would say that your methods don't seem to be bringing you much success. Maybe it's time to try a new strategy.


Yep, no Idea what im doing. check that BR. Slightly off, because the people 'in my fleet' were in fact not. That was me engaging one gang, in a caracal.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16455311

Or this:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16036883

Or how about this?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=18675507

I could keep going, but frankly any more effort would be more than you deserve.

And yes, I do know more than Jack **** when I look at your kills. They are isolated incidents, mostly separated over long periods of time- and in different sytems. I will say again, you have little to no practical experience when it comes to real solo / Small gang. Also, most of your kills are either
a. Pods
b. Noob ships
c. Kills you 'achived' while flying in huge blob fleets

@ Temporary Amnesia- Call me what ever you want, your opinion is irrelevant considering your PvP history.

@ Taoist Dragon: A lone frig killing a cruiser, is a huge exception- not the standard. I will repeat- It shouldn't happen, if ever that a frigate will solo, will kill a proper PvP fit cruiser I placed on that list.



Why didn't i get a dedicated @? >=[ I feel left out now!

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