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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-22 03:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
With the buff to medium rails settling in has the prot been bumped up a notch on the carebear pole?

From what I hear the masters of carebear kingdom right now are the ishtar and cerberus and the prot is still king of land on face and melt it but is an active tank rail prot something that anyone has used to any effect?

Just curious really.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2013-10-22 03:17:05 UTC
You can get like 700dps @ 25+30km with a PvE fit rail Proteus but in the end Ishtar/Cerb/Tengu are much better at PvE because they can do more damage at further ranges with their respective weapon systems.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-22 23:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
I started this thread on a whim but it occurs to me that with a sig the size of an armor rep'ing cruiser wouldn't it be better to get in close with blasters and sig/speed tank.

I have to admit that I don't have any experience with t3's or pve fits for that matter. I am thinking about changing both of those facts, not necessarily in that order.

Edit: spending t3 level isk without doing pve is a daunting thought. If I flip a plex now it gives me a metric butt load of t1 frigs & cruisers sprinkled with AF's...or 1 t3
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-10-23 01:42:26 UTC
While a blaster proteus is a capable pve boat against Guristas and Serpentis it is not as efficient as a more traditional ship. If anything its something you do as a diversion to make pve a bit more interesting after you have gotten tired of flying more traditional pve loadouts.
Daoa Hakoke
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-23 02:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Daoa Hakoke
I've ran C3 sites and L4 missions in my blaster proteus. Most fun ship I have ever flown, but also the most expensive. They can work, but you spend a pretty .01 isk on it. Can't remember the fit right off hand right now, but I got to the point of why fly a ship worth over 1 billion isk when a ship easily half that value would do the same job almost just as well.

Edit: Like said above a blaster proteus is much more fun used to pvp with.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-10-23 03:56:09 UTC
proteus is perfectly fine at PVE.
people dont like it because it requires actual piloting but it isnt actually much slower than a tengu at L4s, if at all.
im talking blasters btw, have not ran pve in a rail prot post changes yet, was pretty bad pre changes.

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-23 04:24:42 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
With the buff to medium rails settling in has the prot been bumped up a notch on the carebear pole?

From what I hear the masters of carebear kingdom right now are the ishtar and cerberus and the prot is still king of land on face and melt it but is an active tank rail prot something that anyone has used to any effect?

Just curious really.


An active rep drone proteus is also a possibility.

With 4 Ogre II's you could get a theoretical 800 DPS out of it. Sentries are also an option.

Save on ammo, and almost as easy as flying a Tengu.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-23 05:45:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
If I were to use it for pve it would be to run sites in our C3. Atm I'm using random long range bc's. When I first moved in all I had was a pvp fit blarpy for keeping sleeper frigs off the gang. Maximum effort and fun as hell but certainly no isk printing machine. Since then jealousy over my mates' proteus & legions have overtaken me. I'm only 2 weeks train out from the prot with all relevant skills at 4/5 but any other platform would add cruiser 5 and medium weapon spec to the training time.

On that subject, with the sp loss involved in asploding is it advisable to train the subs to 5?
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-10-23 19:52:51 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
If I were to use it for pve it would be to run sites in our C3. Atm I'm using random long range bc's. When I first moved in all I had was a pvp fit blarpy for keeping sleeper frigs off the gang. Maximum effort and fun as hell but certainly no isk printing machine. Since then jealousy over my mates' proteus & legions have overtaken me. I'm only 2 weeks train out from the prot with all relevant skills at 4/5 but any other platform would add cruiser 5 and medium weapon spec to the training time.

On that subject, with the sp loss involved in asploding is it advisable to train the subs to 5?


Random loss to a subsystem. 3 day train approx.

No reason not to train your subs to 5. The hulls are spendy enough to justify the train.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#10 - 2013-10-23 21:03:37 UTC
Ask yourself.

Why....

Time for you to get your armor hac skill to 5 would be as long as it would take to get your strategic cruiser skills to 5.

It is a weird tossup. Yes it can work. you want to throw the cash at it be our guest. Just because it is not as preferred vs two other ships, doesn't mean it does not work.

Rep it, go blow crap up, pray you don't accidentally agroo all of the room and have it overwhelm your tank (would happen with pretty much any ship I suppose).

But either-way, fly what you want to fly and stop asking us for validation.

Yaay!!!!
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-10-23 22:12:27 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Ask yourself.

Why....

Time for you to get your armor hac skill to 5 would be as long as it would take to get your strategic cruiser skills to 5.

It is a weird tossup. Yes it can work. you want to throw the cash at it be our guest. Just because it is not as preferred vs two other ships, doesn't mean it does not work.

Rep it, go blow crap up, pray you don't accidentally agroo all of the room and have it overwhelm your tank (would happen with pretty much any ship I suppose).

But either-way, fly what you want to fly and stop asking us for validation.


Don't get me wrong. I'm not asking for validation but for the opinions of a n experienced community that I trust most of the time.
As far as pve goes... I will likely continue to refrain from it for the most part and will be very unlikely to do it solo.
You do however make a fantastic point about hac's. I already have it trained to 4. Taking it the rest of the way we'll cost les time and isk then going down the t3 route but I feel I will miss out on a lot of utility.

It is a tough decision but in the end I imagine I will go for both anyway...
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#12 - 2013-10-29 13:52:56 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Ask yourself.

Why....

Time for you to get your armor hac skill to 5 would be as long as it would take to get your strategic cruiser skills to 5.

It is a weird tossup. Yes it can work. you want to throw the cash at it be our guest. Just because it is not as preferred vs two other ships, doesn't mean it does not work.

Rep it, go blow crap up, pray you don't accidentally agroo all of the room and have it overwhelm your tank (would happen with pretty much any ship I suppose).

But either-way, fly what you want to fly and stop asking us for validation.


Don't get me wrong. I'm not asking for validation but for the opinions of a n experienced community that I trust most of the time.
As far as pve goes... I will likely continue to refrain from it for the most part and will be very unlikely to do it solo.
You do however make a fantastic point about hac's. I already have it trained to 4. Taking it the rest of the way we'll cost les time and isk then going down the t3 route but I feel I will miss out on a lot of utility.

It is a tough decision but in the end I imagine I will go for both anyway...



Eventually you will go both, as you already have the entry into the T3 ships. Its a tossup, as they are both relatively a somewhat similar isk cost (roughly 100 mil more for the t3). But you will only probably fit up the T3 in 1 of 2 ways anyway.


Yaay!!!!