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Refining Damaged Mining Crystals
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Vipre Morte
Team JK
#1 - 2013-10-22 19:52:52 UTC
I just graduated to using strip miners with mining crystals Big smile Yay, me!

In my research, I noticed this little gem in the EVE wiki:
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It is possible to refine damaged crystals up to 0.975 damage and get back the full minerals used to build it (minus refining waste and tax).


Is this something that you guys commonly do? Why or why not? Did you not know about this, and just let your crystals run out, or "get consumed"?

I'm away from a PC I can game on for the day, so I can't experiment with what you would get with refining, but would you actually make enough ISK selling the refined minerals of a T2 crystal to make this worth it?

If it is worth it, I wonder the difference in refined minerals from T1 to T2. Perhaps if it is major (likely, right?), this point could be made to the people that ask every week about whether T2 mining crystals are worth it.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-10-22 20:09:47 UTC
Vipre Morte wrote:
I just graduated to using strip miners with mining crystals Big smile Yay, me!

In my research, I noticed this little gem in the EVE wiki:
Quote:
It is possible to refine damaged crystals up to 0.975 damage and get back the full minerals used to build it (minus refining waste and tax).


Is this something that you guys commonly do? Why or why not? Did you not know about this, and just let your crystals run out, or "get consumed"?

I'm away from a PC I can game on for the day, so I can't experiment with what you would get with refining, but would you actually make enough ISK selling the refined minerals of a T2 crystal to make this worth it?

If it is worth it, I wonder the difference in refined minerals from T1 to T2. Perhaps if it is major (likely, right?), this point could be made to the people that ask every week about whether T2 mining crystals are worth it.



I tried this for a few weeks and was just too annoyed to deal with it. Having 4 miners and having 3 crystals break every 6-8 hours and then trying to track which ones are at 95% and then dealing with making sure they don't get added back into your in use crystals was just too annoying for the minor 20ish Noc minerals you get from re-processing. In fact the additional use for most crystals you'll get out of it instead of reprocessing is most likely worth more then the reprocessed materials.
Vipre Morte
Team JK
#3 - 2013-10-22 20:12:05 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:

I tried this for a few weeks and was just too annoyed to deal with it. Having 4 miners and having 3 crystals break every 6-8 hours and then trying to track which ones are at 95% and then dealing with making sure they don't get added back into your in use crystals was just too annoying for the minor 20ish Noc minerals you get from re-processing. In fact the additional use for most crystals you'll get out of it instead of reprocessing is most likely worth more then the reprocessed materials.


Good point.

I wonder if a suggestion to devs would be to have a visible red mark icon overlaid across the crystal icon in a cargohold. That way, you could visually keep track of which crystals you had that have damage versus undamaged ones. Would that help you?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2013-10-22 20:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Vipre Morte wrote:
In my research, I noticed this little gem in the EVE wiki:
Quote:
It is possible to refine damaged crystals up to 0.975 damage and get back the full minerals used to build it (minus refining waste and tax).

Either I wrote that, or somebody read my posts and put it in the wiki Bear

FYI, crystals can survive 40 damage events: 39 / 40 = 97.5% damage, but you can replace earlier, like event 37 or 38.

Vipre Morte wrote:
Is this something that you guys commonly do? Why or why not? Did you not know about this, and just let your crystals run out, or "get consumed"?

Given the source, I think you know my answer Big smile

Vipre Morte wrote:
I'm away from a PC I can game on for the day, so I can't experiment with what you would get with refining, but would you actually make enough ISK selling the refined minerals of a T2 crystal to make this worth it?

If it is worth it, I wonder the difference in refined minerals from T1 to T2. Perhaps if it is major (likely, right?), this point could be made to the people that ask every week about whether T2 mining crystals are worth it.

With a T1 crystal, you get all the Nocxium back, so you can make a new crystal. i.e. free crystal

With a T2 crystal, you also get all the Noxcium BUT you lose the Hypersynaptic Fiber. The Noxcium is the majority of the cost of the crystal though.

I find it worth it, however I don't mine AFK, and I watch my crystal damage (and local, and dscan, etc.).
Vipre Morte
Team JK
#5 - 2013-10-22 20:53:12 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I find it worth it, however I don't mine AFK, and I watch my crystal damage (and local, and dscan, etc.).


I see. Thanks for your feedback. How did you get the blueprint, though? A search on EVE-Central.com for "Veldspar Mining Crystal II Blueprint" yields no buy or sell orders.
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#6 - 2013-10-22 21:19:19 UTC
Vipre Morte wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I find it worth it, however I don't mine AFK, and I watch my crystal damage (and local, and dscan, etc.).


I see. Thanks for your feedback. How did you get the blueprint, though? A search on EVE-Central.com for "Veldspar Mining Crystal II Blueprint" yields no buy or sell orders.


You can't buy a T2 BPO on the market. You can occasionally find them through the contracts window but they sell for billions. The best way to acquire tech 2 crystals is either through the market or inventing them by acquiring a T1 BPC and using invention skills -- which usually isn't worth the hassle unless you're doing a couple thousand for the year or for sales.
Vipre Morte
Team JK
#7 - 2013-10-22 22:05:20 UTC
Alyssa SaintCroix wrote:
Vipre Morte wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I find it worth it, however I don't mine AFK, and I watch my crystal damage (and local, and dscan, etc.).


I see. Thanks for your feedback. How did you get the blueprint, though? A search on EVE-Central.com for "Veldspar Mining Crystal II Blueprint" yields no buy or sell orders.


You can't buy a T2 BPO on the market. You can occasionally find them through the contracts window but they sell for billions. The best way to acquire tech 2 crystals is either through the market or inventing them by acquiring a T1 BPC and using invention skills -- which usually isn't worth the hassle unless you're doing a couple thousand for the year or for sales.


Thanks for the info. This thread got pretty newb-y once I asked that question, sorry about that.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-10-22 22:05:27 UTC
Vipre Morte wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I find it worth it, however I don't mine AFK, and I watch my crystal damage (and local, and dscan, etc.).


I see. Thanks for your feedback. How did you get the blueprint, though? A search on EVE-Central.com for "Veldspar Mining Crystal II Blueprint" yields no buy or sell orders.

They are produced via "invention". There are a few T2 BPO left, and they're very expensive (Pyroxeres sold last month for 46B).

Evelopedia article on invention:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention
I believe the equation for invention changed, or that some ships have had invention chance reduced.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2013-10-22 22:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
You don't have to build crystals yourself. Just selling the Noxcium from them will greatly reduce the cost of using crystals.

I use separate characters (alts) for invention. My most advanced inventor has a significant investment of skill points in Science: 35.5 million skill points, or 70% of all skill points. Also another 10% in Production skills.

EDIT: I carry spares in the Orca.
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#10 - 2013-10-22 22:54:24 UTC
I use to recycle with t1 crystals in hi sec but in addition to keeping track of the damage on multiple miners the additional issue of tracking them in the pos for shipment to hi sec for refine makes it impractical for me also. Better to get the 2-? extra cycles out of it and make another one that try to track what is and what is not damaged when you are trying to carry crystals for every type of ore.