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Come to low/null sec, we have candy!

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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-10-22 16:16:07 UTC
Ursador wrote:
So far reading all these threads requesting changes to draw more people to low/null have boiled down to one simple truth, PvPers want more people to blow up.

Sorry to disappoint, but this carebear is sticking to high-mid sec, with the odd WH.


So . . . your a carebear and are sticking to highsec because you ASSUME that low/null people just want to blow you up. Coming from a person who has been in just about every non modern CFC controlled space of nullsec I can tell you that there are plenty of corporations/alliances recruiting indy players and people who stock markets. They aren't that hard to get into but you have to seek them out in the recruitment forum and/or in game because they aren't coming to you. You have to look past the curtain of low sec and realize that null is actually safer that highsec, not just a more pvp-centric extension of low sec. Don't hate on a way of playing Eve just because you are ignorant of how it works.

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gobbybobby
Negative-Impact
#22 - 2013-10-22 16:37:16 UTC
While you should assume anyone in local is going to try and blow you up, and fly accordingly it is not always the case!
Igor Nappi
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-10-22 17:00:27 UTC
Confirming candy is freely available in lowsec.

Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-10-22 18:08:00 UTC
Threads like the gotolowsec ones make me feel weird.

Why?

Because i always just jump in.
I just warp around from gate to gate.
I don't scout.
I don't use dscan.
And still... I don't get ******* popped.

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG??????? :(
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-10-22 18:14:11 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Threads like the gotolowsec ones make me feel weird.

Why?

Because i always just jump in.
I just warp around from gate to gate.
I don't scout.
I don't use dscan.
And still... I don't get ******* popped.

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG??????? :(


If I had to guess, you're not using your autopilot to take you through one of the three or four blood-soaked murder zones people try to take shortcuts through.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#26 - 2013-10-22 18:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Ursador wrote:
So far reading all these threads requesting changes to draw more people to low/null have boiled down to one simple truth, PvPers want more people to blow up.

Sorry to disappoint, but this carebear is sticking to high-mid sec, with the odd WH.


So very true. Highsec haters seem to spout their highsec rhetoric endlessly, mostly to justify their continuous ganking and bumping and whatever else they can think of to get carebears into the areas where they are "supposed" to be playing. As far as they are concerned, everyone should be playing the game for the reasons they enjoy. The unfortunate truth is that EvE is catered for all play styles, including those that don't have the playtime or inclination to go anywhere else but empire. Lowsec is an empty wasteland of their own creation.

But hey, they'll just keep on ganking and thinking they're elite PvPers, whilst avoiding the empty areas where the actual PvP goes on. A kill is a kill is a kill, even on defenceless highsec carebear miners. They are, afterall, playing the game wrong, right? Shocked

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Andrea Griffin
#27 - 2013-10-22 18:25:23 UTC
Speaking of lowsec and candy, I would like to recount an experience of mine from many years ago.

I had a problem. The problem was the old Prophecy sitting in my hangar. It was old, it was gathering dust, and nobody really wanted to buy it. Couldn't blame them; not only had the paint started to peel off from a lack of maintenance, but the damn thing was worthless as a combat ship.

I was just about to send the whole thing to the reprocessing facility, but then I paused. Why not take the thing into lowsec and get it blown up? This seemed like as good an idea as any (at least I would get some insurance money out of it) and would offer more amusement, so I decided to do that.

I took my Prophecy, named it "The Candy Van", filled the lows with nanofibers, istabs, and overdrives, the mids with shields and a MWD, and the highs with civilian gatling lasers. Comedy fit through and through. The Prophecy wasn't good for combat so why even pretend, right?

Well, I jump into lowsec. Nobody is at the gate, so I warp to the first belt of whatever system it was and wait. After a few minutes of nothing, I decide to tell the locals, "I am in the first belt and I am full of candy."

I wait. And wait. Nothing. Odd. Maybe they're all away at the moment, or busy using Somer to launder ISK. "I'm warping to the X gate, and I'm full of candy. Come kill this ship, it is worthless!"

And so I do exactly that; I warped to the said gate, jumped, and entered a new lowsec system. I repeated this stunt for nearly half an hour, until I run into a gate camp. A half dozen guys maybe. "Hey guys! This is a terrible ship and it needs to die! Plus, it's full of candy! Please shoot me!"

They leave.

Now, having gone on roams throughout lowsec before, and having been involved in multiple pirate operations in the past, I knew full well that the cesspit of Eve was a rather dangerous place. Bored pirates desperate to fill their holds with loot and tears should be crawling all over me for the killmail generating money shot. But it was not to be.

Had I found the secret of safe lowsec travel? It seemed so. I couldn't believe it.

So I set course for Amamake, all the while telling local exactly where I was going, that I had a poor comedy fit, my ship needed to die, and that it was full of candy. All the way to Amamake I was not accosted, not once, although a few people did seem to laugh at me. How rude.

Eventually I make it to Amamake. I warp to the first belt, declaring my honest intentions. I wait. Nobody comes.

But then someone in local started to talk to me. They wanted to know if I was a bait ship. After all the Prophecy was a well known bait ship - really its only use - but I swore upon what little honor was left in my cargohold (the rest was full of candy, you see) that I was indeed not bait, and that I really just wanted to see the ship explode.

It took several minutes of promises and questions, but I was instructed to warp to one of the gates; I did. I was greeted by the fine fellows of Heretic Nation and my Prophecy's fate was finally delivered.

The lesson of the story is this: When you want to move through lowsec, don't try to hide and dodge the locals. Just tell them you're full of candy and beg to be shot.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#28 - 2013-10-22 18:34:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
To be fair, those thread are mostly from highseccer stating "you need us to move there from HS, you have to change the system to better match our needs".

But - and this is embarassing - nobody is calling or inviting them.
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-10-22 18:42:56 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Ursador wrote:
So far reading all these threads requesting changes to draw more people to low/null have boiled down to one simple truth, PvPers want more people to blow up.

Sorry to disappoint, but this carebear is sticking to high-mid sec, with the odd WH.


So very true. Highsec haters seem to spout their highsec rhetoric endlessly, mostly to justify their continuous ganking and bumping and whatever else they can think of to get carebears into the areas where they are "supposed" to be playing. As far as they are concerned, everyone should be playing the game for the reasons they enjoy. The unfortunate truth is that EvE is catered for all play styles, including those that don't have the playtime or inclination to go anywhere else but empire. Lowsec is an empty wasteland of their own creation.

But hey, they'll just keep on ganking and thinking they're elite PvPers, whilst avoiding the empty areas where the actual PvP goes on. A kill is a kill is a kill, even on defenceless highsec carebear miners. They are, afterall, playing the game wrong, right? Shocked


You know I keep asking what is an elite PvP'r and I never really get a straight answer.

Was Ginger Magician, Tiller, Miz, Evil Thug, Shaddo, Ribyjacksom, Phreeze...who exactly is an elite PvP'r in your estimation that is?

Because seriously, who are you to set the bar for elite pvp any way?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#30 - 2013-10-22 18:47:35 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Highsec haters seem to spout their highsec rhetoric endlessly


Citation needed

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Tabra Penken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-10-22 18:47:37 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
Ursador wrote:
So far reading all these threads requesting changes to draw more people to low/null have boiled down to one simple truth, PvPers want more people to blow up.

Sorry to disappoint, but this carebear is sticking to high-mid sec, with the odd WH.


So very true. Highsec haters seem to spout their highsec rhetoric endlessly, mostly to justify their continuous ganking and bumping and whatever else they can think of to get carebears into the areas where they are "supposed" to be playing. As far as they are concerned, everyone should be playing the game for the reasons they enjoy. The unfortunate truth is that EvE is catered for all play styles, including those that don't have the playtime or inclination to go anywhere else but empire. Lowsec is an empty wasteland of their own creation.

But hey, they'll just keep on ganking and thinking they're elite PvPers, whilst avoiding the empty areas where the actual PvP goes on. A kill is a kill is a kill, even on defenceless highsec carebear miners. They are, afterall, playing the game wrong, right? Shocked


You know I keep asking what is an elite PvP'r and I never really get a straight answer.

Was Ginger Magician, Tiller, Miz, Evil Thug, Shaddo, Ribyjacksom, Phreeze...who exactly is an elite PvP'r in your estimation that is?

Because seriously, who are you to set the bar for elite pvp any way?



Elite PVP'er= Nerd with delusions of grandeur
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-22 18:59:05 UTC
Tabra Penken wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
Ursador wrote:
So far reading all these threads requesting changes to draw more people to low/null have boiled down to one simple truth, PvPers want more people to blow up.

Sorry to disappoint, but this carebear is sticking to high-mid sec, with the odd WH.


So very true. Highsec haters seem to spout their highsec rhetoric endlessly, mostly to justify their continuous ganking and bumping and whatever else they can think of to get carebears into the areas where they are "supposed" to be playing. As far as they are concerned, everyone should be playing the game for the reasons they enjoy. The unfortunate truth is that EvE is catered for all play styles, including those that don't have the playtime or inclination to go anywhere else but empire. Lowsec is an empty wasteland of their own creation.

But hey, they'll just keep on ganking and thinking they're elite PvPers, whilst avoiding the empty areas where the actual PvP goes on. A kill is a kill is a kill, even on defenceless highsec carebear miners. They are, afterall, playing the game wrong, right? Shocked


You know I keep asking what is an elite PvP'r and I never really get a straight answer.

Was Ginger Magician, Tiller, Miz, Evil Thug, Shaddo, Ribyjacksom, Phreeze...who exactly is an elite PvP'r in your estimation that is?

Because seriously, who are you to set the bar for elite pvp any way?



Elite PVP'er= Nerd with delusions of grandeur


Nerds like the OP are the only ones that seem to know what an elite pvp'r is.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-10-22 19:02:05 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Threads like the gotolowsec ones make me feel weird.

Why?

Because i always just jump in.
I just warp around from gate to gate.
I don't scout.
I don't use dscan.
And still... I don't get ******* popped.

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG??????? :(



Don't avoid pipelines.

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Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-10-22 19:02:45 UTC
mid sec huh, lol

A new word to make people in high sec feel less bad about never taking a risk. "well, at least I went to mid sec today. Boy, that was something else."
Ryhss
#35 - 2013-10-22 19:10:12 UTC
I lived in hi sec for four years. I got bored and unsubbed for a few months, I wanted to come back, but needed something new. So, I joined a sov holding null sec corp. I love it out here in null.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#36 - 2013-10-22 19:12:21 UTC
0.6-0-5 is Mid-Sec?
I can immagine the thrill and adrenaline rush when someone cross the border from high-sec to mid-sec.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#37 - 2013-10-22 19:14:50 UTC
Ursador wrote:
Sorry to disappoint, but this carebear is sticking to high-mid sec, with the odd WH.


Yes, yes.... good..goooood. Cling to the pipe dream which is a safe highsec.

The tears will be that much sweeter when your dreams of security are crushed.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#38 - 2013-10-22 19:16:10 UTC
Ursador wrote:
So far reading all these threads requesting changes to draw more people to low/null have boiled down to one simple truth, PvPers want more people to blow up.

Sorry to disappoint, but this carebear is sticking to high-mid sec, with the odd WH.



Just look at the eve map, look at those 2000+ npc kill systems in null, buy a covert ops with cloak and put it there. THEN you see the marvels of 0.0 elite PVP at work.

Seriously, most of em are scared as hell as soon some neut leaves jita.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-10-22 19:16:33 UTC
Remove concord from mid sec. Faction navies and gate guns only please.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-10-22 19:26:31 UTC
i wish to join the chorus of people that jump around low unscouted often in a t1 industrial.
(although the guys in my corp are very very sorry about the freighter full of POS towers , fittings and fuel that they met yesterday doing that. I am sure your alliance/corp were very understanding about that 5 bill loss).
what i don't do is run my industrial around unscouted once it has 200 mill of PI inside it.
This is because of maths.
An empty t1 hauler allows me to make a ton of isk from PI and if it goes boom i have lost virtually nothing (almost no one bothers hunting it anyway and those that do haven't fitted enough points)
A full one though i would actually be sad to lose as that is the price of a decent pvp ship (i don't min losing that isk once it is in pvp form and as long as it performed its duties well).

This is the basis of don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
It is also why i need to get a FW alt as flying cheap frigs,+getting pvp content sounds like fun for little risk and apparently you get drowned in isk for doing it.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85