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Test Alliance Joining Caldari FW

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Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2013-10-21 18:52:43 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Our goal isn't to beat galmil, get to 100% or prove the rest of eve that we have massive menparts, it's to make ISK and get better at eve.

I don't care about your space honor, your killboard, about your blingfits, your boosting alts and your superior strategy, I'll just plex in my triple stabbed merlin and bash IHUBs. If you want to have some kind of a glorious narrative in which you'll come back from the dead after the zombie hordes of TEST took over your ancestor's homelands - sure, go for it. But you're just as ridiculous as that guy defending ladistier because that's where the gallente president lives or something.


Dont you know that many of the GalMil guys are RPers? There is a reason many of us only fly Gallente ships and only carry French exotic dancers.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#182 - 2013-10-21 19:20:27 UTC
Markus Auralias wrote:
I think we just moved into tier 2, can someone explain what that means?

Also, I haven't seen us compared to BOB in ages! You're going to make me blush!


It means you receive hugs and kisses from the rest of the Caldari militia.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#183 - 2013-10-21 19:46:13 UTC
We cared about warzone control once. We got a medal for it. We no longer care about warzone control.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#184 - 2013-10-21 20:25:45 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
Markus Auralias wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
i already feel pity for the average Test Member, so much i let a pod go yesterday night i had already scrammed....


Now you are just instilling poor practices among the ranks. How can we expect line members to learn if they face soft hearted pirates who cannot seal the deal? Our whole Pavlovian training regimen will be brought down around our ears from acts of misguided kindness such as this!


JUSTK is considering a "don't goo the TESTies" policy, mainly because we love the idea of making them fly their pods 20+ jumps back to their staging systems.



that is why pods come with Self Destruct.

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game

Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2013-10-21 20:37:50 UTC
Radelix Cisko wrote:
Veskrashen wrote:
Markus Auralias wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
i already feel pity for the average Test Member, so much i let a pod go yesterday night i had already scrammed....


Now you are just instilling poor practices among the ranks. How can we expect line members to learn if they face soft hearted pirates who cannot seal the deal? Our whole Pavlovian training regimen will be brought down around our ears from acts of misguided kindness such as this!


JUSTK is considering a "don't goo the TESTies" policy, mainly because we love the idea of making them fly their pods 20+ jumps back to their staging systems.



that is why pods come with Self Destruct.


Ouch, that gets expensive to pod yourself when in most cases in FW your pod costs more than the ship+T2 fittings even with 50% reduction and without implants.

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ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2013-10-21 21:24:23 UTC
Andre Vauban wrote:
Radelix Cisko wrote:
Veskrashen wrote:
Markus Auralias wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
i already feel pity for the average Test Member, so much i let a pod go yesterday night i had already scrammed....


Now you are just instilling poor practices among the ranks. How can we expect line members to learn if they face soft hearted pirates who cannot seal the deal? Our whole Pavlovian training regimen will be brought down around our ears from acts of misguided kindness such as this!


JUSTK is considering a "don't goo the TESTies" policy, mainly because we love the idea of making them fly their pods 20+ jumps back to their staging systems.



that is why pods come with Self Destruct.


Ouch, that gets expensive to pod yourself when in most cases in FW your pod costs more than the ship+T2 fittings even with 50% reduction and without implants.


You missed the part where TEST as a nullsec alliance is used to a) losing pods and b) podjumping across the galaxy. we don't have expensive pods..
Pinky Feldman
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#187 - 2013-10-21 21:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Feldman
TEST will fail at having any meaningful impact on the warzone and will just add their names to a long list of failed groups trying their hand at FW like Fweddit and nullsec groups like B2K that have all gotten dunked by the self-proclaimed best small gang pvpers of FW.

I predict it will only be a few months before TEST is back in nullsec and the Gallente will be able to claim victory.
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#188 - 2013-10-21 21:47:23 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
TEST will fail at having any meaningful impact on the warzone and will just add their names to a long list of failed groups trying their hand at FW like Fweddit and nullsec groups like B2K that have all gotten dunked by the self-proclaimed best small gang pvpers of FW.

I predict it will only be a few months before TEST is back in nullsec and the Gallente will be able to claim victory.


The reddit coalition, make it happen

We only need BNI to agree
Pinky Feldman
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#189 - 2013-10-21 21:55:10 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:
TEST will fail at having any meaningful impact on the warzone and will just add their names to a long list of failed groups trying their hand at FW like Fweddit and nullsec groups like B2K that have all gotten dunked by the self-proclaimed best small gang pvpers of FW.

I predict it will only be a few months before TEST is back in nullsec and the Gallente will be able to claim victory.


The reddit coalition, make it happen

We only need BNI to agree


Pick a highsec region and make all the pocos burn. Oh man. The highsec war dec alliance tears.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#190 - 2013-10-21 23:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
March rabbit wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Major Killz wrote:

Also, when where the gals ever losing in terms of pvp?


All weekend in Ladister?

looking at Ladistier (was taken over something around 22:00 yesterday - 02:00 today) gals had success.

Unless you see P(layer) v(ersus) P(layer) another way What?




Yes you had success at the PVE once AU/EU went to sleep/work.
I have never denied the Gallentes superior abilities to farm plexes/pve in low sec during the US TZ.

You guys made no progress anytime the EU/AU Caldari worked together. We slaughtered you over and over again and enjoyed it.

'I WAS THERE' AND 'EVE IS REAL' BRO. or something.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#191 - 2013-10-22 07:35:08 UTC
Chestbeating for thigs that didn't happen, after you lost the system? Only in Calmil

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Pinky Feldman
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#192 - 2013-10-22 07:43:29 UTC
I like how Gallente always act like pushing staging systems get fights. They only get fights because you have Caldari willing to fight.

You guys should come to the amarr war zone sometime and try to push a staging system. You'll basically spend a month pushing hard in us/eu tz and they'll push back in ru/au tz. There will be no fights during this period because the minmatar prefer to use boredom as a deterrent. Eventually one side will miss a day and the offensive will either end with a system being flipped or the attackers getting bored.

Don't get me wrong, logging your entire militia off is the best way to demoralize an opponent that wants to fight, but is hardly the kind of great campaign I always hear the gallante talk about. WINMATAR for example, has been more effective at locking down the warzone with gangs that specifically run from pvp than Iron Oxide's coordinated pvp gangs that used to lock down the entire warzone.
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#193 - 2013-10-22 09:28:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Garan Nardieu
Pinky Feldman wrote:

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Well sorry to interrupt, but It's not only Caldaris - you're forgetting that there were times when Caldari were pushing hard for some of the Gal staging systems - Vlillrier in summer of 2012, ewoke in eha during winter and then mixed alliances in Nenna afterwards. Those produced a lot of fighting because we were willing to fight too, actually we had to fight.
That's what people are saying all the time - 'winning' fw really can only be done through taking staging systems because very few entities have the numbers and the will to lock the whole warzone. I'm rather certain that Galmil couldn't do it even if we wanted to simply because we don't have the numbers. Also, even if you 'win', that 'victory' is more of a bragging rights thing than any kind of meaningful defeat of your 'enemy'.

Obviously it would be ideal if the fights were spread more evenly throughout the warzone but with current mechanics why would anyone bother? If your resources are limited, by trying to keep whole warzone under control you're only spreading them thin. With (de)plexing mechanics as boring as they are and the threat of pilot burnout, why not focus on systems that count? That's what Galmil has been doing for a while now.

What I'm constantly trying to point at when I say that Test's influence is limited in fw at best, is the general problem that is plexing alts which are the ones really dictating sov. If you check the stats you'll see that even with their sheer numbers, fact that they are new to FW (and thus probably much more interested in trying plexing out than any of us old fw farts) and free frigates programme, Test are well behind in VP's created in comparison to State Protectorate. Even though, and I must admit that, they are very active, the real momentum for sov push is still being created by general milita (read: probably 90% alts) and that's very unlikely to change, unfortunately. If this was a period of Minmatar dominance in Amarr/Min warzone, you'd see minnie plexers all over placid/black rise and while testies could plex all day long, they would achieve very little.
The best tactic to achieve sov dominance is precisely the one used by plexing alts (and according to what you said Winmatar) - have fleets of guys in cheap stabbed frigs which will run away from fights. It results in sov and lp gains, and drives your opponent crazy if he's in it for the fight. That's why fw has been broken for quite a while now, but as we both know it - that is unlikely to change any time soon.

As for having more, evenly spread fights, there was a 'frontlines' idea which would probably make sense and incite fighting for every system that is on that 'frontline' which might be interesting, much like timer rollbacks, changes to upgrades to systems etc.
Ninlarra
Ninlarra Brand Ships and Modules
#194 - 2013-10-22 14:21:26 UTC
I've been trying to read this whole thread but people are posting faster than I care to read so I'm just going to make my comment. When Nulli Secunda joined the Amarr side of FW last year, they said they would dominate, and would get T5 in 2 weeks, and minmatar militia would hide in our holes while they did it.

The reality of it was, 3 out of every 4 nulli ship that undocked was destroyed, it took them FIVE weeks instead of two to reach T4, not T5 they never got close, but T4, and they left with their anus widened and there foot in their mouth. I predict the same will happen on the Gal front with TEST. If you galmil people need help me know =p
Markus Auralias
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2013-10-22 14:29:11 UTC
Ninlarra wrote:
I've been trying to read this whole thread but people are posting faster than I care to read so I'm just going to make my comment. When Nulli Secunda joined the Amarr side of FW last year, they said they would dominate, and would get T5 in 2 weeks, and minmatar militia would hide in our holes while they did it.

The reality of it was, 3 out of every 4 nulli ship that undocked was destroyed, it took them FIVE weeks instead of two to reach T4, not T5 they never got close, but T4, and they left with their anus widened and there foot in their mouth. I predict the same will happen on the Gal front with TEST. If you galmil people need help me know =p


Hah, you seem to have missed our brilliantly chartered manifesto for factional warfare, the ten point document which includes, amongst other things, our timetable, vectors of attack, doctrines, supply lines, fleet porn links, and other irreplaceable things that offensives cannot live without. If you had read this, I daresay you would be applying to Calmil as we speak. Truly, our aim for total FW dominance knows no bounds, and anything less than total victory will be considered abject failure.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2013-10-22 14:54:36 UTC
I just want add that more people should blind warp to plexes, especially if solo.

Thank you. That is all.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?

Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#197 - 2013-10-22 15:01:21 UTC
Desudes wrote:
I just want add that more people should blind warp to plexes, especially if solo.

Thank you. That is all.


Yuri Antollare is so good that he doesn't warp to plexes, plexes warp to him.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2013-10-22 15:06:08 UTC
Ninlarra wrote:
I've been trying to read this whole thread but people are posting faster than I care to read so I'm just going to make my comment. When Nulli Secunda joined the Amarr side of FW last year, they said they would dominate, and would get T5 in 2 weeks, and minmatar militia would hide in our holes while they did it.

The reality of it was, 3 out of every 4 nulli ship that undocked was destroyed, it took them FIVE weeks instead of two to reach T4, not T5 they never got close, but T4, and they left with their anus widened and there foot in their mouth. I predict the same will happen on the Gal front with TEST. If you galmil people need help me know =p


You seem to be missing the point

We are not in this to get to T5 and curbstomp people. We are in this for fun and ISK. Yes. Not the dominance, the manliness or the fights. FUN and ISK.

I can't believe how tryhard some of you duders are
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#199 - 2013-10-22 15:11:47 UTC
Desudes wrote:
I just want add that more people should blind warp to plexes, especially if solo.

Thank you. That is all.


psh. best way to get fights.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2013-10-22 15:30:24 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
Desudes wrote:
I just want add that more people should blind warp to plexes, especially if solo.

Thank you. That is all.


psh. best way to get fights.


True fact. I've gotten at least half of my kills from this method.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?