Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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I think CCP should really go for the bubble-immune interceptors. It is worth to give it a try. This might bring small scale PVP into 0.0. Interceptors have low DPS and tank, so such a small horde of interceptors might kill a lone and careless target with some efforts... but they will have a tough time against an organized fleet with E-War... and E-War Frigates will get boosted too. So it might get us interesting fights.

Dramiel was OP because of the tank close to AF and the speed and agility of an interceptor, on top of dual prop (and good dps with projection to top it off). These interceptors are not even close to what the dramiel was.

For once, large T2 bubbles got 40km radius and 80km diameter. Finally got where your issues are.

And those nullified interceptors ar doing a lot, singlehandedly breaking small gangs is not one of those. In your example, the exact same circumstances (interceptor tackling you off his fleet) is easy to manage when they aren't, and breaking your play if they are nullified. Please, how bad are you to die to a small group of interceptors with a 5-10man gang (dying as in you cannot make use of the now even longer gap between light tackle landing and fleet landing to dispose of those ceptors)

If there is anything ruining your apparently daily hercules attempts of taking on 30man gangs with 5man fleet, then it is the general warpspeed dynamics that are changing, but not wether or not ceptors got to burn for 4 seconds.

Other than my pathetic mixing up of radius and diameter, no, t2 large bubbles do not have a 80km warp scramble range. They have a 40km warp scramble range. Not from the center, but across. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mobile_Large_Warp_Disruptor_II



Reading is fundamental. Nobody said anything about losing a gang to a gang of interceptors. The problem is when you're roaming, killing ratters, and the usual home defense blob of 30+ pops up on your radar. It's run time. You run. You drop bubbles behind you to create separation. You gank any of their light tackle that gets too far ahead when you've cleared 3-4 jumps, you drop aggression, you keep running.

Nullification breaks this because now dropping 'DIC bubbles means nothing in terms of creating 3-4 jumps of separation before you can aggress, wait out aggression, and then continue to run. Instead of creating separation, you get no separation and you're stuck in a system with aggression as the 30+ duders behind the interceptor cover your in and out gates. Then it's bouncing safe times and loggoffski.



Reading, again, fundamental. The argument isn't that nullified interceptors break your ability to "take on 30 man gangs with 5 man fleet", but that it breaks your only tool to create separation from those gangs, the 'dictor bubble. The warp speed changes don't really hurt you that badly, since it means that the interceptors will simply get way ahead of their gang. The problem is keeping interceptors from jumping straight into you during your run which is where the 5-10 seconds you get from 'dictor bubbles saves your ass.

Losing the one avenue we had to create separation from home defense blobs means the small gang meta in null-sec is dead. All hail easymode 5-10 combat interceptor gangs ganking ratters and being able to safely run from any gang composition that is thrown against them.

If starting in the same system, which rarely happens unless they've surprised you by coming through a JB. Typically home defense blobs sit on a gate on your path, your scout sees them, you turn tail and run. At that point, they chase once they've figured out that you're on the run away from them.

Bubble immunity is drastic change. Fun, but drastic. It was real challenge to kill interceptor crashing back to gate. Now they are cut loose.

Imagine 20-50-150 intie roaming gangs will be a norm. Anyone who think inties dont have DPS take a look at crusader or claw. Hint: They designed not to tackle, but to kill, outside of smartbomb range (only taranis need to go in close).

Only few in fleet will need MWD - to establish initial tackle, rest can go with AB+max damage, no need to move really fast when you immune to bubbles and can bounce off planet/back to fleet in 20 seconds.

With mix on EWAR fitted on some of those ceptors, they can easily jam/damp/TD/kill even carriers. They can easily cut their losses and escape back to where they came from, at any time. Hard to probe down, fast as lightning, and has built-in Tech3 subsystem. Has both DPS and tackling variations. Easy to find/pick your ganks (no fights, they will easily escape from those, so no losses, or just few ones).
No other ship class provides that functionality (and at what price!), so inties will be OP for nullsec roaming, no questions here.

If you decide to wreck stuff up a bit more, bring boosting loki (warps kinda slower, but still immune to bubbles (same Tech3 as inties lol)). Now those EWAR inties can mow down even hurricanes and cynabals (hint: they have trouble tracking stuff once scrammed, even without EWAR applied).

The only thing i waiting from this thread is a counter for that madness.
This is sandbox, right?
There supposed to be a counter, right? RIGHT?

Roaming in a ship only to be able to flee is not really fun. You need to have some targets you can kill to have an effective roaming ship.

And if an inty pack picking lone targets might be fun one time or two, it will quickly become boring when you'll have to flee from all decent fights you could have had with a decent fleet.

@Garviel : indeed that also was before tiericide ; yet I'm not convinced the old Dramiel would not still be OP without the nerf it got.

Yeah he's still mixing up radius and diameter. And I wish he'd actually explain to me why his gang won't just get overtaken in warp by these interceptors.

If t2 large mobile bubbles have an 80km scramble range, then that's ******* stupid. I don't use anchored bubbles outside of small drags. The Wiki says that t2 large mobiles have a 40km range, figured that meant a 40km diameter with a 20km radius.



Because you're not in the same system when your scout sees the giant gang blocking your path. Scout = at least one jump ahead.

Sure, if you're not using a scout or a giant blob comes through a JB into the system you're in, then it makes no difference. But anyone with a brain uses a scout and typically you have forewarning of a spike into your transit system. Dropping bubbles behind you, even with the warp speed changes, gives you at least double the time to create separation from a giant blobs pack of interceptors.

I wish one of the "OMG INTERCEPTORS GETTING NULLIFICATION! GREAT!" people would answer why it's better to have nullification on interceptors rather than dealing with the bubble bunker problem directly. Restricting the size of anchored bubbles and removing the ability to anchor them within 50km of a gate would do far more to open up null-sec than creating one ungankable class of ship. No more passive camps on regional gates, no more giant bubble spam.

Instead, we get a half-assed solution that creates far more issues than it solves.