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Dev Blog: Multiple Character Training

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#61 - 2013-10-20 17:25:04 UTC
Marcus Gideon wrote:
WHY does anyone think this HUGE waste of PLEX is a good thing? Other than mass producing alts for the express purpose of selling them to other players who are too lazy to train alts themselves?

I just don't get it.
Because, again, it's hellalot cheaper in the long run since the whole point is to train up short-queue characters that don't all need to be logged in at the same time.

Let's look at month one:
3x subs = $45 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable.
3x PLEX = $60 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable
OR - 3 slots, 3 training, 1 playable.

Month two:
3x subs = $45 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable (total $90)
3x PLEX = $60 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable (total $120)
OR - 3 slots, 3 training, 1 playable (total $120).

Month three (when those two additional characters have finished training):
3x subs = $45 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable (total $135)
3x PLEX = $60 - 9 slots, 1 training, 3 playable (total $180, but two characters that aren't training anything).
1x 1 PLEX = $20 - 3 slots, 1 training, 1 playable (total $140, because I don't need to train those two characters any more).

Month four:
3x subs = $45 - 9 slots, 3 training, 3 playable (total $180)
3x PLEX = $60 - 9 slots, 1 training, 3 playable (total $240, but two characters that aren't training anything).
1x Plex 1 PLEX = $20 - 3 slots, 1 training, 1 playable (total $160, because I don't need to train those two characters any more).

…so already at month four, you've paid less than if you were using subs. Over a year, you're looking at 3×12 subs ($540) or PLEXes ($720) for the three-account solution, but 12+2×2 PLEX ($320) for the triple-training method.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2013-10-21 04:13:51 UTC
well that should help train up that titan hold.. I mean.. science alt.. yes
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#63 - 2013-10-21 13:12:06 UTC
Electra Magnetic wrote:
Why not just implement a character merger?

oh wait, I forgot, CCP just wants to sell more PLEX.

they dont really care about the players or what we want.

Ghghchkrk BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Reverse mitosis for the win!

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-10-21 14:39:54 UTC
I think it's a rip off to be honest.

It's great that multiple character training exists but it's not like you can use two character at the same time like you can with two separate accounts.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Robau
Dark Providence
#65 - 2013-10-21 16:31:53 UTC
WTB double speed training with extra plex on one character, will this be available sometime?
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2013-10-21 21:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Savira Terrant
Robau wrote:
WTB double speed training with extra plex on one character, will this be available sometime?



Savira Terrant wrote:
Hell no. I don't even have to give reason.

Stop trolling.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-10-22 00:05:18 UTC
Vicente Gasoil wrote:
First

on topic: Nice addition. Nothing revolutionary, but it doesn't hurt at all


The Revolution will be not be televised? Just remember, great things have small beginnings.
Jack O'Connal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2013-10-22 03:18:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Marcus Gideon wrote:
WHY does anyone think this HUGE waste of PLEX is a good thing? Other than mass producing alts for the express purpose of selling them to other players who are too lazy to train alts themselves?

I just don't get it.
Because, again, it's hellalot cheaper in the long run since the whole point is to train up short-queue characters that don't all need to be logged in at the same time.


Your math fails to account for trial accounts. You can get 51 days of training on a 2nd account and 30 days of training on your main account for 1 PLEX. That more than makes up for the $20 transfer fee to move the character from your 2nd account to your main when you can done training that character.
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2013-10-22 08:21:59 UTC
Jack O'Connal wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Marcus Gideon wrote:
WHY does anyone think this HUGE waste of PLEX is a good thing? Other than mass producing alts for the express purpose of selling them to other players who are too lazy to train alts themselves?

I just don't get it.
Because, again, it's hellalot cheaper in the long run since the whole point is to train up short-queue characters that don't all need to be logged in at the same time.


Your math fails to account for trial accounts. You can get 51 days of training on a 2nd account and 30 days of training on your main account for 1 PLEX. That more than makes up for the $20 transfer fee to move the character from your 2nd account to your main when you can done training that character.


Valid point, but even then I would not want to start an extra account for an alt I do not need the to log in at the same time anyway. I already have like 6 accounts I will never use again (all listed in account-management).

I wish we could delete accounts, just to stop my OCD from ticking me off.

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Teen Skord
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-10-22 12:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Teen Skord
+1 nice feature although i dont think i will use it after making extensive dual training use, and with current plex prices. please do more to prevent inflation !

Lucidia fern wrote:
So you can either own two accounts or have two toons on one account
both the same price
yet less functionality with the latter as you cannot log onto both at the same time

I don't see the point currently.


Try reading the thread it's been explained in detail multiple times.

In short, it's nice once you stop training and don't have to use plexes to keep the account active. Now i have 3 accounts with 9 useful pilots instead of 9 accounts which would be ridiculous to plex each months. Cyno alts, Research alts, Supercap alts, PI alts etc.. dont need to stay logged in very long.
Dex Thunakar
Evil Genius Organisation
#71 - 2013-10-22 12:14:41 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
I'm sorry but i just don't see the point in this, if it was cheaper somehow to run the accounts of your alts on one account, say like 45 days for a plex or longer then i would see a point to this, otherwise why not just have 3 separate accounts that you can then play at the same time or not as you choose, after all it actually costs the same other that that initial fee.



It's even cheaper to train them on seperate accounts because of the discounts you can get for longer subscriptions...
Dex Thunakar
Evil Genius Organisation
#72 - 2013-10-22 12:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Dex Thunakar
Teen Skord wrote:
Lucidia fern wrote:
So you can either own two accounts or have two toons on one account
both the same price
yet less functionality with the latter as you cannot log onto both at the same time

I don't see the point currently.


Try reading the thread it's been explained in detail multiple times.

In short, it's nice once you stop training and don't have to use plexes to keep the account active. Now i have 3 accounts with 9 useful pilots instead of 9 accounts which would be ridiculous to plex each months. Cyno alts, Research alts, Supercap alts, PI alts etc.. dont need to stay logged in very long.


Ok, so you're saying once your character has been trained it's useful to transfer that character to your main account (which costs money) and then just use PLEX to continue training anyway? *confused*

Or if you're talking about not training them anymore at all after the transfer, I really don't see how your comment is related to the dual-character training thing....
Teen Skord
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2013-10-22 12:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Teen Skord
Dex Thunakar wrote:
Decaneos wrote:
I'm sorry but i just don't see the point in this, if it was cheaper somehow to run the accounts of your alts on one account, say like 45 days for a plex or longer then i would see a point to this, otherwise why not just have 3 separate accounts that you can then play at the same time or not as you choose, after all it actually costs the same other that that initial fee.



It's even cheaper to train them on seperate accounts because of the discounts you can get for longer subscriptions...

i think the all point of having lots of alts is to make lots of isks therefore not needing subscriptions at all

Dex Thunakar wrote:
Teen Skord wrote:
Lucidia fern wrote:
So you can either own two accounts or have two toons on one account
both the same price
yet less functionality with the latter as you cannot log onto both at the same time

I don't see the point currently.


Try reading the thread it's been explained in detail multiple times.

In short, it's nice once you stop training and don't have to use plexes to keep the account active. Now i have 3 accounts with 9 useful pilots instead of 9 accounts which would be ridiculous to plex each months. Cyno alts, Research alts, Supercap alts, PI alts etc.. dont need to stay logged in very long.


Ok, so you're saying once your character has been trained it's useful to transfer that character to your main account (which costs money) and then just use PLEX to continue training anyway? *confused*

Or if you're talking about not training them anymore at all after the transfer, I really don't see how your comment is related to the dual-character training thing....


it would be pointless to transfer the characters and has nothing to do with dual character training. My supercap account now has 3 useful pilots, a reasearch alt and a link alt. the last two don't need training anymore or need to be logged in at the same time. so now i have 3 useful ACTIVE pilots for 1 plex a month. i dont understand how some people do not seem to get the obvious benefit that is, and i'm not singling you out here.
Scion Lex
The Unspoken Ones
OnlyHoles
#74 - 2013-10-22 15:31:19 UTC
Dev Blog: MULTIPLE CHARACTER TRAINING
By: CCP Xhagen
Paragraph 5, Bullet point 4, Line 1; it is spelled excited, not exited.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#75 - 2013-10-22 16:08:50 UTC
Jack O'Connal wrote:
Your math fails to account for trial accounts. You can get 51 days of training on a 2nd account and 30 days of training on your main account for 1 PLEX. That more than makes up for the $20 transfer fee to move the character from your 2nd account to your main when you can done training that character.
So… that's 1 PLEX ($20) + transfer fee ($20) for 51 days and the hassle of starting a new account and transferring the characters (which wastes a day of training time) — in total $40 for 50 days — compared to 2 PLEX / $40 for 60 days of dual training?

Yeah, multiple character training still seems cheaper. Also, can you even get PLEX/game time if your buddy account is activated with a PLEX any more? I thought they removed that…
Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-10-22 18:17:10 UTC
I would love a feature to stop training the character training when trying to start a skill on another
character from account, not sure it will worth a plex for each activation, maybe for implementation :)

Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"
Steven Wolf
Goldwolf inc
#77 - 2013-10-22 19:51:53 UTC
it cheaper just to have 3 accounts and you can play then at the same time. why would I want to pay for 3 plexs at 20$ each when I can just spent 15 per month for 3 accounts . that I can use at the same time.
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#78 - 2013-10-22 21:06:15 UTC
Does anyone know when the target painter cycle time change is coming ?
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#79 - 2013-10-23 02:38:51 UTC
Steven Wolf wrote:
it cheaper just to have 3 accounts and you can play then at the same time. why would I want to pay for 3 plexs at 20$ each when I can just spent 15 per month for 3 accounts . that I can use at the same time.

Because it's much more expensive to pay for three accounts than to just pay for one.
Marcus Gideon
Triglavian Assembly
#80 - 2013-10-23 08:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Gideon
You guys are all correct...

It is cheaper to pay for 1 account, than it is to pay for 3...

Unless you are PLEXing 1 account 3 times so you can train some useless alts.

Useless, I say? But... there's no such thing as a useless alt in EVE!

Except... they're all trapped on a single account. So what are you planning on using them for? Market alts? Haven't you heard of Eve-central.com ? There's no longer a need for an alt to be parked in the hub, to give you price checks.

Maybe you're trying to be your own Capital caravan? So you make an alt to fly ahead and light Cynos for your Capital pilot main... no, wait... you can't light a Cyno, and then log out, and hope to get logged back in and jump to that same Cyno... b/c all the toons are on the same acct!

So... what is the point of having somewhat trained alts trapped on an account? Or were you going to be xfer'ing them to extra accts later on, to make them playable? So... you paid extra PLEX each month, to get them trained, and then you're going to pay extra to xfer them to another acct? Why not make them on extra accts to begin with?


Do you guys see how the "throw more money at the game, because it's cheaper that way" logic really falls apart?