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Do Minmatar have gods?

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Sointu Luonnotar
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-09-15 19:53:05 UTC
As the topic says, do Minmatar have any known gods? There are some information nuggets about caldari, gallente and amarr spirituality, but what about the Minmatar?
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#2 - 2013-09-16 01:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Silent Furies contains this tidbit that alludes to Thukker spirituality;

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This configuration was new to him. A beautiful one, though it lacked the smooth subtlety of the Kaulas patterns, the ones from before the revolution. The Thukker as a whole had tended toward violent motifs after the great save, its people too drunk on their own rage to remember they were free, and every creation from its cultural womb since then had in some way borne fury’s jagged stamp.


A kaula is a tantric style or motif used to decorate and adorn crafted items in certain Hindu societies, i.e. Shaivism, see Kapalika. The "object" he is admiring is likely a Kapala, or skull cup..

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"My charming ornaments are made from garlands of human skulls." says the Kāpālika, "I dwell in the cremation ground and eat my food from a human skull. I view the world alternately as separate from God (Īśvara) and one with Him, through the eyes that are made clear with the ointment of yoga... We (Kāpālikas) offer oblations of human flesh mixed with brains, entrails and marrow. We break our fast by drinking liquor (surā) from the skull of a Brahmin. At that time the god Mahābhairava should be worshipped with offerings of awe-inspiring human sacrifices from whose severed throats blood flows in currents.


Such seems to indicate a Hindu cultural history, for the Thukker, at least.. Given the above quote, one might even suggest Sabik..Twisted

My own opinion is the Thukker represent an old "outcaste", as I have suggested the Jove also represented in the far distant past...

While the Matari are members of a modern society, everyone outside the Amarr Empire is not an atheist.. Yes, the Matari are a deeply spiritual people..Blink

Never seen any names mentioned, but it follows that, yes, the Matari have god(s)... Given the naming conventions used in their home system, they may simply refer to the godhead as "father" and "mother"..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#3 - 2013-09-16 03:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Also, considering the manner in which Matar was colonized, it seems that it may have been toward the end of the colonizing rush, shortly before the collapse of the Eve Gate.

Many of the other colonies seem to have been more structured in their colonization, while the the dregs of society, the dispossessed, the poor rushed to claim the newly discovered bounty of Matar, while many of the more structured societies, were already planted closer to the gate... On less hospitable planets..

The colonists knew they might have to become self sufficient very rapidly, and the colonies were all in a rush to secure their posterity where they were...

So the disparity of the cultures, seven distinct and seperate Tribes, took longer to achieve planetary peace and prosperity..

Caldari only has two distinct bloodlines.. And the evidence suggests there were not very many survivors on Caldari Prime.... While Matar is a paradise planet, probably not a very high mortality rate there...

Ya, thats alot of assumptions... Blink The religious background on Matar is probably incredibly diverse...

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-09-18 17:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
A Minmatar data centers agents gives a series of missions called Shaman Secrets. "The Brutor, Hnarlir Afer, has been an outcast from his home-world, Matar, ever since his Voluval ritual. The mark it left behind was so shameful even his loving father disowned him.... He wants to learn the method which the Vheriokor shamans use to perform the Voluval ritual and modify the mark so that it no longer resembles the symbol of the Ammatar Mandate." The missions' objective is to find and capture the Vheriokor shaman Logut Akell, who is "meditating somewhere in Eram."

The existence of a shaman raises some questions. A shaman, by definition, is a person who lives on Earth, but is connected to and can access "the other side." He doesn't do devotionals or rituals to a god, he connects directly with spirits, both in nature and in the spirit world/dimensions. He can do "magic" or "miracles," observable by the members of the tribe. Celtic druids and Native American "medicine men" are some examples of shamans. Historically, shamanism precedes a society's development of gods and goddesses with names, attributes and mythologies. For example, prehistoric Egyptian shamans would have been the predecessors of the later priests of the named gods Thoth and Ra.

So the question is: Since the modern Vheriokor have practicing shamans, are they superstitious people with irrational beliefs in spirits and supernatural occurrences? Despite having enough scientific advancement and knowledge of physics to engineer FTL spaceships? Or does the existence of practicing shamans mean that there are spirits and supernatural occurrences in the New Eden universe? So that the Vheriokor have a reason to belief in shamanism and have practicing shamans?

I'd like to have the answer to that question. Smile
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#5 - 2013-09-18 18:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Many Native Americans do believe in "god", the "Great Spirit" that created everything.. They also believe that every object in nature has it's own "spirit", or lifeforce that dictates it's form and existence..

There used to be a word tossed about alot in Eve, too.. Arcane Science.. i.e. Spiritual Sciences.. It does seem to indicate that New Eden understands the "esoteric" a bit better than we do...

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-09-18 19:32:42 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
Many Native Americans do believe in "god", the "Great Spirit" that created everything.. They also believe that every object in nature has it's own "spirit", or lifeforce that dictates it's form and existence..

There used to be a word tossed about alot in Eve, too.. Arcane Science.. i.e. Spiritual Sciences.. It does seem to indicate that New Eden understands the "esoteric" a bit better than we do...

Yes, I think most of the shamanic traditions believe in one creator god, with the other spirits being just entities not that different than humans or animals. Their aspects or abilities may be different and mysterious, but they're still entities much lesser than the creator god.

Interesting about "Arcane Science," Roga. Do you know of anywhere offhand where I could look for references? I'm actually writing a story about a Minmatar shaman, but don't know what degree of "supernatural occurrences" would fit into the lore.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#7 - 2013-09-19 00:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I recall a few instances of missions (can't recall which) that addressed the subject.. The FTL communications scientific journal page has this tidbit. The reference is vague, and some of the stuff alluded to in missions was much better..

Quote:
Like the Amarr before them many solutions were tried out, but none with success. Finally it was a young Gallente woman, Li Azbel, who came out with a solution that was so simple but yet deeply rooted in arcane physics, that at first it was rejected as a hoax.


I will try to dig up some more references for you when I can.. I think what I am thinking of atm related to the Hyperbole Nexus..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc
#8 - 2013-09-19 08:53:09 UTC
Sointu Luonnotar wrote:
As the topic says, do Minmatar have any known gods? There are some information nuggets about caldari, gallente and amarr spirituality, but what about the Minmatar?
Try reading the Fan Fiction posted here, "The Emissary" is about the rekindling of the traditional faith of the Matari people.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-09-19 20:51:25 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
I recall a few instances of missions (can't recall which) that addressed the subject.. The FTL communications scientific journal page has this tidbit. The reference is vague, and some of the stuff alluded to in missions was much better..

Quote:
Like the Amarr before them many solutions were tried out, but none with success. Finally it was a young Gallente woman, Li Azbel, who came out with a solution that was so simple but yet deeply rooted in arcane physics, that at first it was rejected as a hoax.


I will try to dig up some more references for you when I can.. I think what I am thinking of atm related to the Hyperbole Nexus..

Thank and appreciate it, but don't spend time on it. Finding little details like that again in the old stuff can be pretty tough. I need to catch up on my lore reading anyway.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#10 - 2013-10-11 23:00:08 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:


Caldari only has two distinct bloodlines.. And the evidence suggests there were not very many survivors on Caldari Prime....


I recall one of the Chronicles or something, maybe the one about the migration from Caldari Prime, suggested there were other bloodlines but that Deteis and Civire were the two most dominant, and so are the only two that capsuleers come from other than the more recent Achurans. The rest melded into the other two for the most part or faded into the background after the Gallente occupation of their homeworld.

Perhaps Falcon or Eterne will speak up if I am misremembering.
Etienne Saissore
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-10-11 23:45:43 UTC
There's a section in Minmatar cosmos where the Brutor agent says, among other things "Do this and take the blessings of the Kulutor with you" when sending you to check their holy grounds, in the middle of space, of course.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#12 - 2013-10-14 14:09:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I have always thought the circular rock formations seen in many mission sites as a major part of the storyline. Tor, or rock formations on the proverbial hill top.. Tor is also part of the word equator, the circle or torus around the earth. What kulutor's relevance is, well, my searches on that front have mostly been fruitless. Other than a Nigerian surname...

Still, thx for sharing this tidbit..

As to the Caldari, it is very likely there were more bloodlines, the lore suggests seven bloodlines that crossed the eve gate.. It is probable that the Deteis and Civire were simply the dominant groups and the hierarchy that went on to create the Raata Empire. As lore also suggests the Yan Jung were a major force at the time of colonization, and it is obvious their Asian ties.

The Civire symbol bears an uncanny resemblance to a certain Matari corporations logo. Suggesting an overlap of bloodlines throughout New Eden.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-10-22 11:05:35 UTC
I do believe they pray to the God of War. :)
Knightmaro
Towards Greater Glory
#14 - 2013-10-22 17:48:10 UTC
We only pray that our ships hold together Big smile

In all seriousness though, we are a very spiritual people much like the Native Americans.