EVE General Discussion

I pay for my sub with RL money, and I choose to grief highsec. Why must I continue to support your playstyle, when highsec refuses to support mine?

I have played your way and continue to do so at some times. It requires a change of tactic. you can max your hulk for mining just don't be surprised when a catalyst enforces their will on you. At least keep combat drones out so you get on the inevitable kill for the catalyst. My non combat alt is on a few of her own with that. Alternatively tank your boat some, such as putting field extenders or trimarks on it.

You can't really grief highsec unless there are targets there to grief. It also furthers the illusion of safety which leads many into becoming juicer targets. Any support to highsec playstyles supports highsec griefing.

Whoa, cowboy . . . I'm not the one telling you what you must do, or how you should play. You want to grief highsec? Be my guest.

I'm not sure where the "If you leave it as it is, they'll all quit" logic comes from. If that were the case they wouldn't be here to begin with. Granted there are limits to the reasoning, IE complete safety of highsec eliminates that gameplay, but so long as extremes are avoided you have the largest pool of targets. Too low and forced adaptation or departure are your only options which will, one way or another, decrease your pool of targets.

You are taking something from that statement that is neither intended or inferred and furthermore unfairly limiting it to your interpretation. It's simply a factual statement.

To the point you present, while buffs to security have accumulated over time, we still have a long way to go from total safety or anything too closely resembling it. While there are a few points which may be in need of stepping back, considering where the game started it sounds like time has moved it closer to that ideal mid point overall than away from it.

Edit: Actually, saying a long way was overstating it. Any further pushes would likely break things more than fix any aspect.

I am an avid gamer, still fairly new to this game. I have more than one account, and spend most of my free time (I do work about 60 hours a week on average) playing it. My thoughts at this early stage are that there is so much to learn, such a steep learning curve, and such risk for venturing too much too fast, that for now the risk seems clearly far greater than the reward for spending time in null sec. That is, unless I were to join one of the large established corps there.

I really have nothing against such corps as the "goons", but I also do not really want to go that route. So it seems like null sec has its lure, but until I have more experience, skill points, knowledge, skill, etc., I really see no point in being the victim in a mismatched fight. To a lesser degree, the same would be true of low sec. I am sure there are some who do successfully venture much those places, pretty quickly in their Eve career, and do so with success. But I feel they are a small minority. I could be wrong, because I certainly do not have the data CCP must have. I am just assuming that with all the talk of how little players like myself venture into low and null sec, that it is in fact the case.

It is not for me to change the steep advantage veteran players have over newer players. It is not for me to change the fact this is a game where winning an unfair fight is great and applauded fun. It might be for me to point out that therein seems to be much of the reason why more players do not come to this game, and stay. It is the stay, that is the thing. Many come and give it a try I suspect. They just do not stay.

But I will stay. I am patient and learning. I am in for the long haul. I have accumulated much in the way of assets in my relatively short time here, and I am working at learning. I am sure many have done much better, done much more, and much faster. But I am patient, and I am persistent. And in time, once I have more experience, skill points, knowledge, skill, etc., I plan on, and aspire, to be a solo pvper, roaming low and null sec, and doing it successfully.

I am venturing there on my main character some now, and occasionally getting a kill. Just a few. Against more losses at this point. But the tide is just beginning to turn. And going slow and cautiously, it has not cost me much in the way of isk, compared to the amount of isk I have accumulated. That seems to me, and I am probably wrong, to just be the intended design of the game.

Players who were here early on, well they have great encouragement to stay. All the advantages are theirs'. And all the disadvantages are the newcomers'. It is a very daunting game to a newcomer. I guess if there is anything that really puzzles me about this game, it is how and why so many pretend this is not the case. I suppose it might not be advantageous to admit this is a game that penalizes and punishes newcomers beyond most any other game, while rewarding the veterans. But it sure seems to me that is the objective truth of the matter.

But like I said, I accept that, it is fine, I intend to stay, and in time, I will have been here long enough to also find great rewards in the advantages inherent in this game of having stayed long enough to have large advantages over newcomers, and to have evened the playing field in relative proportion to those still here much longer. The advantage for example of a veteran player here 3 years over a newcomer of less than a few months seems pretty large. But that advantage seems to shrink quite a bit I believe, when the newcomer has been here say a year, and the veteran here 4 years.

TL;DR This game is imho outright punitive in respect to a player here only up to a few months, but if those new players could simply persevere and learn, that changes quite a bit in no more than a year. So perhaps CCP needs to find a way to keep newcomers here longer, at least long enough for that early on totally disparate disadvantage new players have versus veteran players, to even out.

that wont ever happen stay under your bridge where you belong troll.

Conversely, people could grow some spines and just do it.

Lowsec is impossible for stupid people to live in. For bad players to live in.

It's not impossible, period. FAR from it. I roam lowsec daily, on multiple characters, and I almost never die. It's easy to live in lowsec.

But it's not pants-on-head easy like highsec is. And because that's what players start in, that's what they view as the standard, it's what they get used to, it's their comfort zone. So they never get to be any good. That's the problem, not the learning curve itself. The problem is that highsec sets people up for failure.

I wish someone would make a thread about how everyone in the "sandbox" isnt doing exactly the same thing and should be forced to play only how some people want them to. They can orient the whole idea on how the only reason anyone plays at all is the mindless pursuit of fake space money. They can point out people not conforming to the way some people want them to play are doing it "wrong". Then everyone in the sandbox can all face the same directio, they can all have exactly the same orange shovel, the exact same little green pail, all shovel in exactly the same manner at exactly the same time. Now that would be a wonderful sandbox indeed.