EVE General Discussion

Q: How to lure more players into lowsec?
A: Don't shoot them unless they're war targets.

Yes, I know, shooting anyone anywhere is one of the things that defines EVE. And it works good, as players who object being shot at make it as hard as they can, thus avoiding the places where it's easier to get shot.

No amount of tinkering with rewards (nerf this! Nerf that!) is going to change the fact that many EVE players don't like being shot at. They pay such a terrible price by reamining in "high" security space, that many leave the game without even dipping their feet in the "good" content.

What's wrong is not rewards, but risk.

And i ask: why should CCP fix the issue?

What do you want as PvPrs? Easy kills? Or good fights?

If you want the former, well, tough luck, nobody is going to oblige. They will stay in hisec until they leave the game.

If you want the later.... why don't just let them grow?

You see a Venture in 0.4... and don't shoot it. Then he brings a Retriever. You don't shoot it neither. A Mackinaw, a Orca, he's setting up a corporation now. And then you tell them that you're going to wardec them, so they better bring some armed help. Maybe the guy who bringed in a T1 frig, then a dessie, then a T2... without being ROTFLstmped for a easy kill at the very first gate.

It's up to you, guys. Want good fights? Let them grow. Want easy kills? F*** you. That's not CCP's problem, and certainly not carebears' problem.

This again. Bring fights to the highseccers. There is no safe in EVE, only more safe, much less safe, and no safe.

The problem is keeping people honest. Not likely to happen and thus, game mechanics are required. I've personally have came up with one some time ago for null-sec.

Allow corps/alliances with sov over a system to force safety restrictions on ships and reflect this in the color of the sec status number. If red, you can set your safety to red. If yellow, you can't set it to red and if green, you can't change it out of green.

Does this make null-sec just as or even more safe than hi-sec? Yes it does. Would people in hi-sec migrate to these systems? Yes they would.

And Alliances should be able to pay for Concord protection too I gather

I tried when they released the tags4sec. The result was a few disbanded corps who's members quit EvE rather than fight. Popping pods and gift ships is more of a Xmas season thing.

players wont go to lowsec until their ready, if they want to they will go. if they dont want to who cares? they pay for their subscriptions not the people who dwel in lowsec looking for an easy gank.

In fact I propose that LS PVPers venture out of their dark hovels and take a joyride through 00 popping in funny explosions and leaving nice podkills.

Lowsec is a cesspit. It is PvP ground zero. Take the latest GalMil-MinMil JTF. 1000 kills a day, each day, for the almost two weeks they were assaulting OMS, Ladistier, and Heydieles. Unofficially, it's about 10-12k kills across 10 days.

But wait, you might say. That is FW. You're right. But a sizable chunk of those kills represents neutrals to the warzone...looking for gudfites.

And if I am following you correctly, you are proposing that new players, risk-averse players, and casual players should start bringing Macks and Orcas into lowsec systems, under the protection of the "word" of lowsec residents, that their ships are safe.

Now, either you are...

A. Trying to send newbies to their deaths in ships of sizable reward. Which believe me, I understand totally. If I saw an Orca sitting on a belt, or in a safe, you can guarantee that I would be grabbing it to decorate the inside of my captain's quarters with the entrails of miner blood. Or my killboard. Because WiS does not have such wonderful features yet.

B. Or you are trying to be serious in which you really need to come to terms with the reality of EvE. A good fight does not involve Orca's or any mining ship. Which, I might add, is all you have listed here. A good fight involves 10-20 pilots beating the crap out of each other, until that one little mistake is made (cap chain fail, hot-drop, so on and so forth.) Not me shooting an Orca. Unless the Orca pilot decided to eject, and jump in a combat ship, in which case...I grab a couple of friends...and I heist an Orca. Then I get a good fight, and a free Orca. Yay.

I am not one who normally urinates into people's Cheerios, dude, but this idea is just BAD.

Also Features And Ideas Discussion

ikr.
We constantly hear the eveisdying meme and pvp'ers whine about how hisec and any carebearing catering would really kill eve, yet act like any of the polar opposites like some daft and extreme suggestion catering to all pvp & harassing wouldn't also kill eve.

A proximity alert module might be an interesting add on. Fit it to your ship using a high-slot and get notified when a non-cloaked hostile (overview settings) approaches within 1 AU at max skills. (Far less range, and hence not as much warning as D-scan, but no need for a click-fest.)