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This post may have been also overlook for some time.

Like you I am a person of management, and I find really annoying to manage business in a "business like way" using the tools intended for that task. That is why I employ alts for said tasks.

One thing I coupled with that is the ability to have alts in each major trade hub doing trade stuff and managing stuff, and using external websites to give intel to other people.

I assume that Corporation Management is something that will be at the bottom of the priority list because the players themselves dont use that, only a few of us. The majority are in different points of view, business, industrial, etc, but asking for the same things: Ships, Sov things, Skill TRaining, and so on.

You have to keep on mind that the development of EVE has shown a sinuous path until now, and each expansion bad reception leads to another skew towards another goal. First you have an expansion about ships, people complain that ships arent the only problem, then you have expansion about content, then people complain that content is not the issue, then you have an expantion about pvp, people complain that pvp is not the issue, then you have an expansion intended to create an amazing integration plan with dust, and people dismiss it as "dress up play expansion" so we are back to ships and content.

EVE devs are concerned too much to what players want, but most players have no clue about what is in the realm of game mechanics and what is the realm of L2P, so too much effort of devs is spend in fixing what is not broken, and laying down ground signs for stupid people to find what they claim not existent until it is flashing over the UI.

They most likely do not have time to sit over aspects of the game few people use or are inclined to learn to.

When I was in the CSM, this was one of the issues I pushed for, and I believe it's part of the reason we have all the discussion of POS mechanics revamping (another thing which was in dire need of a change). When we had the questions about the one thing we'd change, I said the whole corporation mechanic (leadership, POSes, Wardecs, roles, etc).

I supported it then, and I still do now. All aspects of corporations need work, as they're one of the hinge-points of this game (unlike FW and exploration, which are still valuable but not necessary or pertinent to the majority of the playerbase.

It would be nice to have more people into the corporation thing. But the push towards all the combat and content take the focus away.

It would help if Corporation Management mechanics were to have a more present role in other aspects of EVE, but that also will be frowned upon by many.

However, it would be nice to have real business missions and not "Glorified Courier" missions.

Corporation management today is something only a couple people need among hundreds, maybe thousands even. If corporation management were to have a more central importance also in middle management, then it would have more focus.

Maybe, and this a big maybe, unite under management category corporation, sov and trade skills. It would help to have some functionality added to CQ or Ship Hangar more focused on management. The aspects of market and Corporation management that merge really added, like stock markets or corporation values other than how many ships they kill or have destroyed. Stuff like that.

Even have into management conditions that change the other aspects, like missions that are only available to corps that CEO has a given skill to a level, or change the prices to wardec as much as the allies in the funcion of a Corp Management skill.

I myself see this from the point of view that I can have alts with trade and corp skills enough to do all that is possible without really having to dedicate a main account char to that goal at all. That sounds to me like an underdeveloped aspect of the game for that reason alone.

Usually people dont like big picture posts so I go very careful with those, but you seem like someone with no fear to read.

I see the big picture, and I see what you mean, and I see the problem the problem.

Once you have this kind of resource available in EVE, it stops being on the reach for everyone, and stops even the illusion of that. If people glorify the posts with one line and the quick joke over serious issues, what to say about a situation in which the person is not only the ship and the fit flown, the fleet the person is in, or a colective of ships and fits, but also the corporation they belong. It adds a layer of complexity people are not kind to accept.

The most fearful situation to the status quo in eve is the situation where a person can have something as powerful as a weapon but it is not under the control of a math formula or a "fit of the week".

I see nothing wrong with dictatorship or general facism, maybe because I am not north american, and I know that it can work under certain circunstances, and that is another fearful fact for people. What if to rise a corp that on top of being as military and politically powerful, has this power magnified by a regimen like, lets say, national socialist germany. People fear that sort of thing, and despite the existance of powers beyond the ships and equips, the lack of corporative power still gives the illusion it does not have power. What if this changes and Corporation Management skills become something to change tides in wars, then you add something people are not likely to understand, judge and follow.

I see the beauty of such powers spreading and some armies destroyed even before undocking, but EVE crowd is not likely to accept that so fast.

Many good ideas, this is a topic that has been brought up and over looked for a long time.
Changes to corp permissions and roles
changes to wallet access
it is an interwoven mess.
to add you should be able to pay out Salary to members, maybe add a role that lets you set an amount for each role and when you pay it auto figure .. well ok that may be too complicated. something better than shares, if you give everyone one share so you can give out paychecks, they get every mail involving a Vote, and Directors + CEO are the only ones who really need it.
having a Vice CEO or a chairman role would be nice as well.

Bump.

Exactly my point. They need to clean it up and make it a more streamlined and sensible process. Furthermore, I also feel there needs to be a base fee for corp creation/management/maintenance to discourage people from making a bunch of garbage "tax dodging" corps. All in all the whole entire field could use some attention! ^.^

I see that got misconstrued a bit. Firstly let me point out, a fee for creation/maintenance of a corp is NOT my primary request. Just some love to corp permissions is, and I would be happy with that. However, what really should be done is an entire overhaul to the business and economic side of eve. After all the game is based on an economy.

Please note, I'm not saying enforce taxes "Just because." Look at alliances. They cost 1 billion isk to form and have an upkeep fee of 2 million per member corp. This--on a psychological level--prevents everybody and their brother from making their own garbage alliance and cluttering the skies with a bunch of "one corp" alliances all peacocking that they are some massive conglomerate .

I am recommending that--as part of a larger update--we add a base cost of say.... 100 million to form a corp and say 200k isk per 50 members per month. This would--on a psychological level--be enough of a deterrent that it would remove a bunch of the 1 man corps from the record as well as serve several other useful functions. Also, I can tell you first hand that this amount is a joke sum as it costs about 2-3 million isk per month to rent a station and about 80 mil or so to run a small POS per month. Its primary function would be again, a deterrent.

The main benefits immediately noticeable without additional programming would be:

• Massive decrease in the rate at which namespace is being consumed. Idk if you knew this, but alliances and corps share the same namespace, my Alliance had to be named Sovereign Stars (plural) because Sovereign Star was a corp name. Furthermore, it took FOREVER to find a ticker symbol because Alliances and corps share those too and we eventually had to settle on "SO" because nothing else was left. Namespace is reserved forever, even if a corp closes, so this alone is a serious concern.


• Consolidation of existing and potential corporations, leading to the average corporation size being much larger, making it a more likely that your corp and its function will be recognized. Look at Red Frog Black Frog and Blue Frog, some people still don't know about them because there are so many garbage corps to look through. In fact as far as I know they do not have a competitor! Even if they did it would be hard as hell to find out who it is. A corp should mean something and be recognizable.


• Ease of recruiting, because less people would want to pay the fees to make their own corps, and the fees would be easier split across more people.


• Increased size of the NPC corporations leading to more experienced players being in reach of newer players, which goes hand in hand with CCP's new player training they want to do and their complaints about how specific knowledge is so far out of reach of many newer players.

However, the biggest benefit comes with Point number 2. Increased recognizability. This would pave the way for those pesky stocks to actually mean something. I mean the main value of stock comes from its perceived value. The more well known and successful the corp, the more it is worth on a market. That said It would be nice to see a stock market emerge in which corporations that were both A) a certain age and B) of a certain size could become publicly traded and sell their stock for some quick cash. This feature of course would be part of an expansion that would also include a complete revamp to the contracting system making it viable for internal infrastructure, a revamp to permissions so that it would be easier to make several "Jobs" within a corporation, and of course many updates to the UI that would increase ease of market interaction. Namely a button in the fitting panel titled "Buy All" or "Buy and Fit" which would buy all of the modules available at the station that you did not have, just like if you were browsing and hit the buy button from the descriptive panel (rather than the view market orders button). Some other features would include a the ability to sell bulk amounts of items all at once just like right clicking and hitting sell. Of course it would pop up warnings for any item that was about to be sold for well under market value, just like it does now.

The fee for the corp would only need to be implemented if we were to add all of these other features that REQUIRED a reduction in the number of corps and an increase in the SIZE of the ones that existed. I would not necessarily want it to be added under the current context, as then it would just be a needless fee.

EDIT: As an added note, in order to balance this new economic sink, there would be a new economic faucet, which would likely come from a revamp in the base pay of missions to be higher, and/or an increase in NPC trade orders. CCP would be well aware of this as historically they have always tried their best to steer the game's economy away from depressive states... well without making it obvious that that is what they were doing of course.

Again, as I literally JUST explained to the LAST person who didn't read everything. I AM NOT SUGGESTING WE JUST ADD A FEE TO CORPORATIONS AS THE GAME IS RIGHT NOW! I am only suggesting it as part of a larger, broader scale change.

MY MAIN REQUEST IS A RE-VAMP OF THE PERMISSIONS SEGMENT OF CORPORATION MANAGEMENT AND A RE-VAMP OF CONTRACTING!!!!!!!!!

The rest is a suggestion that would need to be taken as a whole, not individual parts, for an expansion based on white collar occupations, because CCP tends to ONLY change things in large quantities via expansions. I rarely ever see patches that fix one or two problems anymore. Look at Odyssey, they could have just fixed the scanning program. But they didn't, they decided to go overboard and revamp all of the exploration sites, rename all of the anomalies, change ice belts into anomalies and make all ore/ice anomalies visible without scanning . They also added a scanning overlay and redid the scanning skills. Then they added a bunch of scanning modules and renamed a bunch of other stuff.

My point is, CCP won't listen to a request for something easy to fix, they tend to only do complete overhauls of entire segments of the game. I am only requesting a re-vamp of permissions and contracting. The rest is a loose suggestion for an expansion if need be.