Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you are going to made a radical suggestion like this, at least back it up with some examples and reasoning!

Ganking adds to the game (sometimes) imo. Freighters would deny it, but I think it makes their eve experience a whole lot more interesting and exciting.

Miner ganking on the other hand is something I don't support. I don't even want to think about how many ppl quit eve after repeated miner ganks. And its not even profitable for the gankers, its just greafing, plain and simple.

Except ABC's still overshadow BS.
Yes, BS have tank. But in a lot of applications you aren't caring about tank, which has removed a large number of roles from a BS. ABC's have the advantage of significant mobility over a BS, gaining even more in Rubicon, and that is typically what matters rather than tank.
So the balance of ABC's is still a relevant point.
6 turrets may be too much of a drop, but 7? Sure you might be able to find a normal BC that out DPS's them, but not at the same ranges the ABC's can project to with Large instead of Medium turrets.
Which then puts them in a much better game slot, and keeps BS more relevant underneath the huge blob level.
While still leaving ABC's fine for use like they are now. Just need 8 instead of 7 (if you even needed 7 before)

this is plain wrong. even before the cost increase in bs manufacturing cost a tempest cost twice as much as a tornado does now. (tempest was an average minimum of 140m isk before the increase the highest longtime average of a tornado was about 70m while it s price atm is 55m)
and again insurance do not make a change cause its a relative ammount of its manufacturing worth which is in both cases an close enough value to its sell price.



first thing was never my point. i dont oppose suicide ganking as a concept...
second thing while it is true it does not make any argument cause prices are consistent in the long run.
my case is that in high high sec tornadoes open possibilities for too cheap ganks relative to say 0.5 "high" sec
while aditionally takeing the fast ac/arty platform role away from the tempest too. both could be fixed the same time.




two talos are doubble the value of one talos..... you clearly do not even understand the problem again i dont have any issue with te concept of suicide ganking when its concistent cost/effort relative to sec status of the system in which it occures....

that my be partly right but if you go back this long you have to correct numbers by inflation. back then plex were about 400-410m is which nowdays are about 590-600m. so the difference in value is not as great as you may think.

secondly i struggle to see how a then broken(back then) insurance system helpst to disproove my point?

You can not do stupid things like carry 100 plex in your cargo, you can fit a tank to your ship, you can fly with friends, you can stay away from high populated areas, you can scout ahead, you can stay in higher sec areas. Plenty of options for you which will keep you from getting ganked. Stop crying and learn how to counter gankers.

nobody wants that your just beeing silly...
its not about carrying real high values totally safe
its about carrying relatively low values through very high security space
imho there are severals issues with "t3 bc's" and one of this issues is the one shot alpha of tornadoes, tornadoes makeing tempest obsolete and taloses beeing still to strong ingeneral.
(and just to be fair catalysts make too good suicide gankers too atm)

and again i see nothing wrong in the concept of suicide ganking its a part of eve and i dont hate it... but it should be all within some reasonable boundary's

Making it t2 would mean it would have to be upgraded to have a proper tank, and resists. They are the only BC hull and variant that cannot fit warfare links. They have cardboardium armor. Besides, before ABC's, people were ganking in hurricane's, and of course destroyers. Now, people gank in destroyers, and tornados or talos'. I don't see what the issue is. The gank game is the same, the cost is more now, just the tune/ships have changed.

Personally, I don't like the high sec ganking mechanics. I have done it, and it is great fun. The problem I see is one is never safe (undocked) in EVE, which is exactly what CCP wants.

If you are complaining about ABC's, it must be in the context of ganking. PvPwise, they are fairly balanced.

By putting so many exclamation marks in your title, you surely increased the strength of your point by 37% OP.

Attack Battlecruisers are a powerful but weak tool, and it certainly does not overlap with BSs for many uses.
I agree that it's cheaper to gank in high sec in a BC than a BS, but the ratio damage/isk is still way lower than destroyers.

Also, you should try to go out of high sec sometimes and you will see that, sometimes, it happens that people actually pvp with these with another purpose in mind than suicide ganking.

screw all those, after all, did i get sp back or my isk back or free skills given when they changed half the matar ships to missiles?

i endup with 5 ships i cannot fly anymore, and many other ppl share the same wagon, and ccp doesn't look like to even care....

Ganking does not just make my freighter-ing more interesting, it also attacks my competition. God love the gankers.

this goes doubly for mining ganks. turns out it doesnt cost very much to hire a ganker to hit other miners, leaving more rocks and ice for my team (plus some amusing raging in local).

if ur gonna quit after getting ganked, then maybe u wouldn't enjoy this game anyways. after the ganks, all there is to look forward to is repeated war decs, thefts and can flipping and so on. Being a non-combat pilot, or playing eve even, requires a patient and rugged individual and/or group.

more on topic, the ABC's add a lot more to the game than take away. they are great ships. i can see the argument for making them T2 tho, they are very specialized and it would allow for a more typical ABC with medium weapons (the brutix would have a lot to gain from this).

Making them T2 would not really do much other than add to their cost. They dnt have to be given extra tank, simply use the same resist boost that bombers get, and ganking would move onto other hulls easily enough. It wont, however, give more roles back to BS's as they would perform much like they do now, if not better, under a T2 role and bonuses.

and i dnt understand Kane's argument. why does ganking in 1.0 or 0.9 have to be expensive?
Personally i'm of the opinion that ganking in higher secs is not game breaking, even when its cheap. ur not safe anywhere in this game, act accordingly.