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Dear CCP Tallest: T2 Missiles?
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Kalar Freno
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-11-10 14:01:05 UTC
Shivus Tao wrote:
The viability of rage depends entirely on the situation. Precisions however are useless in every situation compared to faction or even regular missiles of the same class. Precisions could use some love especially with destroyers getting their sig buff. Now precisions could find a niche as the go to anti destroyer missile.


I would agree with this, and say the same applies to Javelins. It's crazy that if I want to use Javelin Torps in my new Naga, I get a 40% reduction to my speed... Perhaps bringing T3s into this example is not the best idea, but it emphasises the problem with a "per weapon" penalty.

You usually want to use Javelins because you're either kiting or being kited. In both situations speed is not something you want to trade for a bit of range.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#22 - 2011-11-10 14:24:22 UTC
Kalar Freno wrote:
Shivus Tao wrote:
The viability of rage depends entirely on the situation. Precisions however are useless in every situation compared to faction or even regular missiles of the same class. Precisions could use some love especially with destroyers getting their sig buff. Now precisions could find a niche as the go to anti destroyer missile.


I would agree with this, and say the same applies to Javelins. It's crazy that if I want to use Javelin Torps in my new Naga, I get a 40% reduction to my speed... Perhaps bringing T3s into this example is not the best idea, but it emphasises the problem with a "per weapon" penalty.

You usually want to use Javelins because you're either kiting or being kited. In both situations speed is not something you want to trade for a bit of range.

I agree with this post so much
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#23 - 2011-11-10 21:12:05 UTC
Alsyth wrote:
CPP, please, answer us.


Why do you hate missiles, and make hail OVERPOWERED ?

Hail isn't OP; as it is on TQ, it's almost completely useless; post to removing its falloff penalty on Sisi, they have announced that it will be reverted to half of the previous penalty (0.75x falloff), thus making it about right. Stop complaining please.



Kalar Freno wrote:
I would agree with this, and say the same applies to Javelins. It's crazy that if I want to use Javelin Torps in my new Naga, I get a 40% reduction to my speed... Perhaps bringing T3s into this example is not the best idea, but it emphasises the problem with a "per weapon" penalty.

You usually want to use Javelins because you're either kiting or being kited. In both situations speed is not something you want to trade for a bit of range.

Well stated, that's basically my original point. I cannot think of a good situation to use Javelin torpedoes for, save two: Steatlh Bombers rigged and fitted exclusively for long-range bombardment, and missioning Golems with T2 missile range rigs. In both cases, speed is basically irrelevant, which is the only reason it makes any sense at all in the first place.

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Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#24 - 2011-11-17 13:25:42 UTC
today sisi build >>>> no penalization on t2 missiles \o/
Kalar Freno
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-11-17 14:40:46 UTC
Gempei wrote:
today sisi build >>>> no penalization on t2 missiles \o/


Awesome! This made my day Big smile
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#26 - 2011-11-17 14:52:21 UTC
Nice! I look forward to an actual announcement for this :D

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Alsyth
#27 - 2011-11-17 15:05:14 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:

Hail isn't OP; as it is on TQ, it's almost completely useless; post to removing its falloff penalty on Sisi, they have announced that it will be reverted to half of the previous penalty (0.75x falloff), thus making it about right. Stop complaining please.


I use all kinds of weapons bar hybrids, hail is good as it is on TQ on ships like BSs, Sleipnir, AB Vaga/Cynabal, etc.
With no falloff penalty it was better than faction ammo with no real tradeoff. With 0.75 penalty it's a really really good T2 ammo which will be used by almost everyone able to fly AC ships, I'm fine with it.
Alsyth
#28 - 2011-11-17 15:07:04 UTC
Gempei wrote:
today sisi build >>>> no penalization on t2 missiles \o/



Must be a bug, just like yesterday 0.01s timer to reload.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#29 - 2011-11-17 15:46:20 UTC
Alsyth wrote:
Gempei wrote:
today sisi build >>>> no penalization on t2 missiles \o/



Must be a bug, just like yesterday 0.01s timer to reload.

Nooo!

But yes, I also understand the Hail thing a bit better now that I took a minute to think about it. I'm not so mad about it really.

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