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Test Alliance Joining Caldari FW

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Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#141 - 2013-10-20 23:37:48 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Major Killz wrote:
Their answer was to focus on system control mechanics while they were being wiped out on the combat side. Why would you give up on what should be the ultimate goal of any pvp entity?



Who is being wiped out on the combat side??????


Caldari have less on field - Caldari kill more consistently.



Test will get better - They just need discipline.
Once they 'get it' -The Gallente have no chance.



= / ok there sport...

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ![/u]

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#142 - 2013-10-20 23:45:24 UTC
Major Killz wrote:

If we're to believe what members of Justified Chaos state almost every week on the forums. Then it's "success" is derived from leadership, management, logistics and organization. However, I don't agree. Mainly because the Gallente militia was doing well long before Justified Chaos WAS EVEN CREATED.
Hey we just live off the backs of our friends - which is what we've been saying in this entire thread. Your alliance, and several other Caldari alliances, didn't - and now you're not in FW (after you were kicked out of your system).

gf o/
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#143 - 2013-10-20 23:46:45 UTC
Major Killz wrote:

Also, when where the gals ever losing in terms of pvp?


All weekend in Ladister?
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#144 - 2013-10-20 23:55:43 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Major Killz wrote:

If we're to believe what members of Justified Chaos state almost every week on the forums. Then it's "success" is derived from leadership, management, logistics and organization. However, I don't agree. Mainly because the Gallente militia was doing well long before Justified Chaos WAS EVEN CREATED.
Hey we just live off the backs of our friends - which is what we've been saying in this entire thread. Your alliance, and several other Caldari alliances, didn't - and now you're not in FW (after you were kicked out of your system).

gf o/


GF

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ![/u]

Sai Weisman
Perkone
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-10-21 00:50:46 UTC
The real question is this - if the Gallente militia is truly codependent, where is the galmil erotica?
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#146 - 2013-10-21 01:01:00 UTC
Sai Weisman wrote:
The real question is this - if the Gallente militia is truly codependent, where is the galmil erotica?


All Gallente keep a laminated picture of Deen in their pockets for the lonely times.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#147 - 2013-10-21 01:13:36 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Sai Weisman wrote:
The real question is this - if the Gallente militia is truly codependent, where is the galmil erotica?
All Gallente keep a laminated picture of Deen in their pockets for the lonely times.

I have a chatgris pic.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2013-10-21 06:32:19 UTC
Test will adapt and get better - as is true of anyone that comes to FW.

But win or lose the war zone, Test is going to bleed members. People are going to love this pvp and some of their best will stay.

No matter. This is some of the most constant and fun fighting I have seen. I'm personally glad they are here.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#149 - 2013-10-21 10:46:47 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Sai Weisman wrote:
The real question is this - if the Gallente militia is truly codependent, where is the galmil erotica?


All Gallente keep a laminated picture of Deen in their pockets for the lonely times.




OHHH YEEES , hes sooooo cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#150 - 2013-10-21 10:48:26 UTC
Markus Auralias wrote:
I can confirm that spamming ascii art is the true path to autism. Giving up our most potent cultural tool would be the same as acknowledging ....blah.


well, seems you guys need some cultural education then, maybe you should start with trading cards of Deen Wispa.
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#151 - 2013-10-21 11:09:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Garan Nardieu
So many words, when things are simple.

FW is still a broken mechanic and as such makes some things constant, ergo:

- Squids will reach tier 3/4, with test tier 5 is not unlikely. Its the way pendulum swings atm and its the natural course of things with current mechanics. Funny thing is - Test will take credit for this success even tho they will have nothing or very little to do with it in reality.

- Test will go through pretty much the same process all the other nullsec entities joining fw did - further bleeding of members, red killboards. Once they realize how bad they are at solo/small gang, they will do the only thing they know - blob all the time and bore us to death with their idiotic local spam. Some of their members will become really good soloers/small gang fighters and will leave for greener pastures. I doubt Test will brake up due to losses since as all the non dreddit corps that really care about 'success' (however you define it) are likely already out of test anyway.

- Consequently your average test member won't earn as much as he was promised initially nor will he learn about small scale pvp as much as he could if he was to join 'normal' fw corps, hence test won't fully succeed on any of their stated goals. Naturally, they will never admit this.

- They will make at least one headline on TMC with a corp theft of fw stuff and/or hauler derp/gank.

- Pendulum will continue to swing until CCP decides to take another look at fw, so for quite a while.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2013-10-21 12:09:56 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Major Killz wrote:

Also, when where the gals ever losing in terms of pvp?


All weekend in Ladister?

looking at Ladistier (was taken over something around 22:00 yesterday - 02:00 today) gals had success.

Unless you see P(layer) v(ersus) P(layer) another way What?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2013-10-21 12:11:57 UTC
Garan Nardieu wrote:
So many words, when things are simple.

FW is still a broken mechanic and as such makes some things constant, ergo:

- Squids will reach tier 3/4, with test tier 5 is not unlikely. Its the way pendulum swings atm and its the natural course of things with current mechanics. Funny thing is - Test will take credit for this success even tho they will have nothing or very little to do with it in reality.

- Test will go through pretty much the same process all the other nullsec entities joining fw did - further bleeding of members, red killboards. Once they realize how bad they are at solo/small gang, they will do the only thing they know - blob all the time and bore us to death with their idiotic local spam. Some of their members will become really good soloers/small gang fighters and will leave for greener pastures. I doubt Test will brake up due to losses since as all the non dreddit corps that really care about 'success' (however you define it) are likely already out of test anyway.

- Consequently your average test member won't earn as much as he was promised initially nor will he learn about small scale pvp as much as he could if he was to join 'normal' fw corps, hence test won't fully succeed on any of their stated goals. Naturally, they will never admit this.

- They will make at least one headline on TMC with a corp theft of fw stuff and/or hauler derp/gank.

- Pendulum will continue to swing until CCP decides to take another look at fw, so for quite a while.


Thanks for the laugh. Let's analyze your post.

Caldari was stuck on T1 for a while, TEST joins, calmil gains 10% in a week. Totally unrelated though, that's just "the pendulum".

Mate, our killboard is always red. And we know that we're bad at small gang stuff. We have blobbed since our beginnings. We're not bleeding, we are in fact in the process of welcoming a certain calmil corps to DAWWW, our recruitment alliance. Seriously, you don't know anything about TEST.

We didn't promise anything. Our members know how much they can make, but it's up to them to do plexes and farm LP.

We make headlines on TMC about once a week, seems like you're not paying attention.

The pendulum again. What are you even talking about? Space magic?

To summarize, apart from hearing the "TEST is bad wololo" over and over again you actually don't know anything about us and our culture. Stop trying to compare us to your standard tryhard elite peeveepee corps, we are more like an autistic zombie hobo crashing other people's parties. Bad at this game, completely okay with welping and in for the fun.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2013-10-21 12:12:18 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Test will adapt and get better - as is true of anyone that comes to FW.

But win or lose the war zone, Test is going to bleed members. People are going to love this pvp and some of their best will stay.

No matter. This is some of the most constant and fun fighting I have seen. I'm personally glad they are here.

to be honest by the end of saturday i found myself feeling bad for killing them (test). It looked more like kicking children than fighting.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#155 - 2013-10-21 12:46:44 UTC
ZheoTheThird -

Maintaining control of systems you've captured requires people to actively patrol them and/or live in them. As I said before, you took systems that no GalMIl corp lived in, and that we haven't been actively patroling due to the OMS / Heyd / Lad campaign that just finished up.

You'll notice that you haven't made appreciable progress in Eha, Vlillirier, Nennamalia, Hallanen, or Nisuwa. The reason is that GalMil corps actually live in those systems and roam the area regularly. You'll also notice that those areas are where you're getting the most fights and losing the most ships.

In short, the bump in FW warzone control has primarily been due to a lack of farmers on the GalMil side of the house, which is a neverending problem for us with the current mechanics. You have yet to make a dent in areas actively inhabited by GalMil corporations. Once you hit about 60-70 systems controlled, things will start to get very very interesting.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#156 - 2013-10-21 12:50:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Garan Nardieu
ZheoTheThird wrote:

...


Frecking forums ate my post.

Anyway, my points were:

- I care about your 'culture' as much as you care about mine, basically - I don't give a damn. Whatever helps you cope with your losses is fine by me. Keep in mind though - there's a difference at stating "we're bad" but actually being quite successful (e.g. Goons) and just plain being bad.

- You're using FW to draw some new blood. Good. Doesn't change what I said.

- Test's influence on sov mechanics is limited and will continue to be such. Sov is mainly dictated by farming alts, what you guys did help with is busting iHubs. Had you joined FW at the time when Minnie war zone was highly in Minnie hands, you wouldn't make any significant gains. From that perspective, your timing was perfect.

- Pendulum is a metaphor for FW mechanics atm. If you want to know what's wrong with them (I'm sure you don't) search the forums for explanations.
Markus Auralias
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2013-10-21 13:04:29 UTC
w0w, such serious, much severe conversation.

Lets get back to discussing how localchat and :kbstats: are the indicators of faction warfare effectiveness pls
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2013-10-21 13:41:18 UTC
Garan Nardieu wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:

...


Frecking forums ate my post.

Anyway, my points were:

- I care about your 'culture' as much as you care about mine, basically - I don't give a damn. Whatever helps you cope with your losses is fine by me. Keep in mind though - there's a difference at stating "we're bad" but actually being quite successful (e.g. Goons) and just plain being bad.

- You're using FW to draw some new blood. Good. Doesn't change what I said.

- Test's influence on sov mechanics is limited and will continue to be such. Sov is mainly dictated by farming alts, what you guys did help with is busting iHubs. Had you joined FW at the time when Minnie war zone was highly in Minnie hands, you wouldn't make any significant gains. From that perspective, your timing was perfect.

- Pendulum is a metaphor for FW mechanics atm. If you want to know what's wrong with them (I'm sure you don't) search the forums for explanations.


Trying harder than -A- in their best times. Such leet. Wow.
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2013-10-21 14:02:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ZheoTheThird
Okay, let me clarify, I feel like my peasantly way of speaking isn't quite easy enough to understand for the kings of pvp.

You didn't say anything of relevance. You stated that TEST is bad, that the sudden calmil success is due to FW mechanics and completely unrelated to TEST and that we're totally not going to stand a chance and inevitably die. I've heard that in variations from pretty much everyone we've ever fought.

You see, we don't work that way. We're learning, adapting, testing the waters. We are going to grind out systems, stage in Nenna, take your doctrines and use them against you with fleets three times the size of yours. Feel free to pour yourself a glass of the finest whisky, sit down in your armchair and laugh about the filthy testie-peasants with their ASCII and ****** memes, we don't care, it's a game, and we're going to beat you.

Also, our KB is totally an accurate representation of our success at taking over systems
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#160 - 2013-10-21 14:27:16 UTC
TEST will help caldari grind up systems that aren't home systems and then claim victory. If they want to measure their success based on non-home systems taken I'm sure they will be very happy with their results.

It will get more interesting when gal mil is down to 6-10 systems and TEST runs out of places to offensively plex. Is that when they will leave FW?