Jita Park Speakers Corner

Oh, you definitely have some proof of that, right? I mean, especially as how EVE subscriptions are still riding close to an all time high, and all. It couldn't possibly be something you just told yourself to assuage your carebear sentiments to thinking you're part of some kind of moral majority.

Or, wait, yes, it is. Just like every other whiny carebear who comes onto these forums and tries to spout off the same lie about how X% of all players are highsec crybabies too.

Here's a shocker for you. You don't speak for a damn person in this game besides yourself. No. one. else.

And if my attitude is why you're going to go off and play Star Citizen, fine, have fun(clearly, you don't like the game in the first place). But to try and tell me "I'll quit, and all my carebear friends will quit with me because I don't get what I want" is not only wishful, delusional thinking, but the entire history of this game is one giant proof against it all. Oh, and it's supremely childish to boot.

If it mattered to the game at all that people like you quit because you don't get your way, it would have died a long time ago. Thin skinned weaklings quit this game every day, and the servers keep running, the world still turns, and time marches on.

You don't matter.

Internet tough guys detected.

Not really, as most internet tough guys usually turn out to be sad pathetic losers in real life.

AFK cloaking is not killing Eve, but it sure does not help, but before I get started on that, lets just point out that when I first went to 0.0 I went to NPC 0.0, and was operating in a contested system, therefore while a cloaky camper is annoying I can operate around them and like to kill them when they decide to get back to the KB and actually try to prove something. The key thing is of course to work out what you are facing or likely to fight, for example once in Cobalt Edge I ratted with a red Arazu cloaked up in system in my carrier, but I was with two other carriers and we were triage fit and we knew just how many they could bring in on us, of course they went elsewhere.

Most people who start in hisec and go to 0.0 do so as part of a group that rents, credit should be given to them for leaving hisec, however they often make poor strategic choices like renting a single -1.00 system, here is the rub, they go to 0.0 expecting to make ISK and have fun, instead they have an unknown risk that can drop a unknown amount of DPS on them, as they are not used to this, having worked with hisec rules of stay docked up they of course do that. Often when one tells them to make better strategic decisions about renting multiple systems, or to go out and belt rat in cheap ships they decide that level 4's are better. However at this point I give them credit for at least trying and perhaps staying in system in the vain hope that the cloaky camper will go away... If they try to stick with it they just tend to log in and then go do something else, and its this point where the danger rests, I know 6 people personally that started doing just that and then after a while said to themselves lets concentrate on the something else and left Eve. You being the tough guy that you are, are likely to ask for their stuff and go back to WOW, but CCP loses a client, who may have developed into a 0.0 F1 killing machine, sadly we shall never know.

And this young man is the issue, Eve is not dying, but it sure as hell is not growing either.

Now on a number of AFK cloaky threads I was told by the get rid of local brigade that with local being the perfect tool people did the AFK cloaky thing to have a chance to kill something, however now we have fast warping interceptors that are immune to bubbles, lets see if they are correct, my feeling is that those AFK claoky campers will still be there because most of the players who do it are just lame and are not up to screaming around in interceptors having a blast, anyway we shall see!

Now you are my type of player, I admit to having a moan recently about unified accounts and the ease of meta gaming due to the lack of account linking, but that was more to do with the penny dropping that what I was intending to do was just not worth doing with that structural issue, thankfully CCP setup something that I wanted to have for a long time, the Personal structure and that has kept me in the game, I just hope that CCP do not make it too big and bulky and too easy to scan down...

I too am fed up with cloaky AFK threads, but I get more irritated by the people trying to downplay it, coming out with stupid things like he is not dangerous if AFK, its so ******** its painful because how the hell do you know that they are AFK. Like you I have operated against them and got some great kills and seen a fair few move to other systems because of the lack of joy they had with me. But the thing is that I can laregly play when I want, pity those poor people who have a limited time to play, they are on a hiding to nothing, I really can't blame them for doing Incursions and level 4's or leaving the game, I hate doing incusrions and level 4's, the only PvE I enjoy is in 0.0 because of the risk element...

You have all my upvotes sir.

Not sure why I take the time to explain this again and again everytime this pops up. I guess I need some good karma every now and then.

People have been complaining about this for years. It hasn't changed. It won't until a large overhaul of mechanics.

To explain why we need to look at two things: Risk and reward.

Firstly, Risk.

You have a magical box called "Local" that tells you when to run and hide. It is 100% accurate, works instantly and is completely infallible. It costs you nothing to set up or maintain. All the work is done for you. All you have to do is press the dock button when it tells you to and pay some kind of minimal attention.

This creates complete safety for you. In other words, it removes risk.

Because of this, if someone wants to kill you, they have to go to great lengths. They have to dedicate an account to it and leave their computer on 24/7. No one wants to do this. They do this only because thanks to local it is the only effective way of killing you. Local is so strong that in order to counter it you need to dedicate an account and a computer 24/7 to do so. Let that sink in a minute.

What would happen if we removed afk cloaking? Even if you had a solution that didn't screw over normal cloaky fleets (and very few suggestions people make wouldn't) the main issue is you'd never die.

This is a problem because of the second thing we need to talk about, which is reward.

So, if you hate being killed and AFK cloakies are such a plague, why aren't you in high sec? The answer to that is you make more isk in null-sec. Why? Why do bounties pay more? Why are plexes more lucrative? Why do planets have more resources, why is all the best moon-goo there? Because it's riskier. You accept a greater level of risk in exchange for a greater level of reward.

The problem is, you want it both ways. You want the increased level of reward that comes with null-sec, but as soon as you are asked to assume the risk with it, you refuse. You demand CCP alter the game mechanics to ensure you never have to take a risk. To make sure your magical safety box continues to operate with 100% efficency.

Sorry but:

YOU DON'T GET TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

You either accept the increases risk in Null-sec, and with it the increased rewards, or you get out null-sec and surrender those rewards for increased safety. Those are your options. It's your sandbox, you pick.

Burning my spy alts upvoting forum pr0n erry day.

in the metagame you can change the way things work in game

or get special scorpions whatever

As a new player who joined EVE, Just recently actually. I can assure you that a large number of the people who Play EVE, do not actually feel the way that the OP assumes they should. Yes, Cloaking Campers are an issue, I have been murdered by them a few times now.
Though, Leaving EVE is a childish, and perhaps grave; mistake. Yes, cloaking I do feel is a bit OP, especially for the Covert Ops ships, and the entire invisibility from other ships, is a bit OP as well. In my opinion, as a "newb" to this game, and just recently got above 1 Million SP; there is a small issue here, but not one near the size that you claim.

I believe, instead of raging, and screaming over this issue, maybe some people should assemble a group, with warp disrupters, and a few HIC's and go kill the campers. Much like "Robin Hood" and his Merry Men. But, aside from that, I do feel that the CCP, (this should be suggested to a few CSM's since many people may feel this way) should create a device, equippable to Interdiction Cruisers, that can reveal cloaked ships, say within a few hundred Kilometers. Much like a Warp Disruption Bubble.

I have read a large portion of these posts, and if anything it has taught me something. EVE is a game where the Populous can make the changes. So, united, we will succeed and divided we shall fall. Leaving the game is doing just that, quitting. Dividing ourselves, we will fall. Leaving the game, you are giving credence to the success of these "cloaky campers". If they kill you, and you quit, they are successful. If you don't like them, make it a mistake to become one. Make every cloaky camper pay their dues to society, by dropping a fleet on them, and making them pay the ultimate price, and pod them.

Thanks, and that was the rant of a noob.
But hey, To all of you Oldies out there, we really respect you, atleast some of us do.
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