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Passive Shield T1 Ship for L4s
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-10-21 02:01:29 UTC
If you're looking for truly cheap, the domi can handle a decent enough passive tank for the vast majority of level 4s. Of course if your drone skills aren't up to snuff, you won't have the dps to handle it, but otherwise it works pretty well. Certainly cheaper than a rattlesnake.
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#22 - 2013-10-23 06:11:08 UTC
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Honestly if you're going to be at the computer and your internet connection isn't completely crap, I would avoid passive tanking. It's very slot-inefficient on Battleships and you usually end up way overtanked with not enough damage and projection making missions take ages.

I know it can be daunting to manage an active tank with a capacitor booster but honestly, it's not that hard at all, PvP and stuff like that is miles above it in terms of micro management. Once you get used to it using an active tanked ship in mission will be a brainless task but it comes with the added advantage of earning way more money than a badly fit passive tanked ship.


..i might end up overtanking -> i am aware of that.. but i prefer having too much tank mainly because im lazy and
i dont want to worry if i accidentally shot the trigger and aggro the whole room..

..about dps -> as soon as i can get Sentry II drones i'll dish out between 600 & 800 dps (depends on range).. that sounds decent to me

..im not planning on "badly fitting" the passive rattle..i want to fit good and isk/hour is not that important for me yet,
first of all i want to be able to run Level 4 missions (all of them) without having trouble with tank

..since the rattle is waiting in my hangar already (15 more days for decent skills, my shield skills are already good)
i'll definitel try out different fits active shield/passive shield/MJD gank and probably switch according to missions..


another question:

can i run every lvl 4 mission without much trouble with this fitting? (i'll switch hardeners to specific resists // fit AB if there's travelling)
and again -> i dont mean isk/hour... i want to do the missions without warping out and get lvl 4 experience

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Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invu II
Navy Omni
Navy Omni


'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I



what do u think?

greetings
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-10-23 07:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Marc Callan wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Well, those are nice skills to have across lots of boats anyway Smile

Rattler offers better options in general imo and is a mean SoB when you get bored and go active tanked.


If you're active-tanking a Rattlesnake, would you base it on the T1 Raven/CNR active tank? (What with the seven mid-slots compared to the SNI's eight?) And how would you rig it?


Dont have a fitting tool handy but from memory (so keep that in mind on the numbers front below)

2x pwnages
2x omnis
rigor II, rigor I, flare I
3x BCU
3xDDA
cruise & DLAs
tank to suit. No cap booster required

Same RoF as a CNR, same application as the "old" CNR (which many used including myself and never had issue with) and a large drone damage compliment too, on top of a frankly epic tank. The drones account for @60-66% of the DPS and have zero application issues. I might look at RHML come November though, thus freeing up the painters slots, not sure as my mind is on other things right now.

With imperfect skills (but 5% implants to RoF and cruises from my raven days) it's in the 12xx DPS ranges with gardes and 11xx with bouncers. Tank is anything up to 700-900+ burst (depending on levels of pimpage, nothing heavy).

I dont use it in missions with extensive travel time, but I suppose a pwnage could be traded with an AB/MWD.


I got to using it more around the time of buggy hull issues with NPCs as a "lost" drone volley hurt a LOT less than a lost CNR volley and discovered that actually, it's a bit of a brute.
Salem Seth
Husky Corporation
#24 - 2013-10-23 09:37:20 UTC
I fly near the same setup but sometimes i switch a Shield Power Relay to a DCUII (dont know if 4-5% more res are important but i feel better with itLol). As Rigs i use 2 Purger and 1 Sentry Dmg actual there was only 1 Mission where my shild was down to 30%. In most Mission its easy with this setup but in bigger one (4k LP) you have to watch out for the trigger. In this missions my Sentrys getting attacked (Elite Cruiser, Frigs) so i have to pull out a fresh Sentry pack, due to that
i was thinking about a Semi-Afkness MJD, warp into mission - klick on MJD - Put out Sentrys - Set Aggresive and Pull the aggro. But most setups i see have not much tank...for sure on 100km you dont need a big tank but i "feel" better if i have some.

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I (DCUII)

Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invu II
Navy Omni
Navy Omni


'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I (Sentry Dmg)
Fortis88
Caldari Salvage Corp.
#25 - 2013-10-28 22:21:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Fortis88
So many garbage fits. Look I can show you a t2 FRIGATE than can tank lv 4 missions so well that you can literally take a nap and come back and your ship's tank is untouched. You can even sit still and tank and it will never go below 50% shields. I fly this ship all the time and I can build it for less than 50 million isk. You people need to have a little imagination.
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#26 - 2013-10-29 00:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmu Efrafa
thanks Fortis88...

..but thats not what im looking for..

..im just guessing ur talking about the hawk..
(or about the Enyo-but u cant afk missions in it.. aand u have to kill web frigs anyways)

..i would like to run level 4 missions with more than 600 dps tho and if
i really wanna make slow isk while beeing afk i prefer mining in my procurer :)


..btw. im also not willing to pay for your information ;)

cheers
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#27 - 2013-10-29 03:17:46 UTC
Passive TFI. Ill make one now.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
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