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Why should I care?

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#1 - 2013-10-20 14:41:10 UTC
A case study, if you will, that likely covers the attitudes of 95% of the Federation's inhabitants...

I am a drone engineer in my forties living in a prosperous planetary republic of around five million in the Essence region. I have three children, the oldest of which is looking to get a place at the state's most prestigious university, about an hour's flight away on a jet aircraft. The youngest is not doing so well in school, so considerable time and effort is put in on my part to put them back on the right track. My spouse is an accomplished consultant with a local recruitment firm, and we are happily married. We live in one of the upper tiers of the capital's arcology tower, where many leisurely pursuits and distractions are available to us.

Our local government is relatively transparent and well-functioning, though is subject to every problem with any democratic institution. I vote at every election, join in on public initiatives, and attend community meetings when I can, either in person or remotely. I often watch the news of the wider continent, learning the latest from the neighbouring states. Sometimes, I attend conferences in these neighbouring states. Rarely do I pay attention to the affairs of other continents. These areas of the planet were colonized by cultures radically different from my own, and so I cannot compel myself to show any interest in them. They speak a foreign language and are subject to a radically different set of problems that are beyond my knowledge. I think it best to focus on the problems of my family and local community.

I treat my family to a vacation once or twice a year. Though we are extremely well-off compared to our peers, we don't earn quite enough to make trips off-world. Besides, our planet is large and biodiverse. From deserts to tundra, to tropical jungles and magnificent mountains, we can survey the wide array of habitable environments on this single planet alone. Sometimes we take hiking trips, others trips to a beach resort. I encourage my eldest, before he joins university, to spend some time working for the planet's largest charity, aiding some indigenous tribal communities that have yet to be discovered by the interstellar media.

Occasionally, we hear of the multiplanetary, interstellar government known as the Federation. Once or twice in my lifetime, I've seen a local infrastructural construction program with the Federation eagle on it, letting me know who funded that project in particular. Most recently, this Federation have passed a law that regulates what sort of drones may be sold off-world from planetary markets. We discuss the law at work, and make plans accordingly. From time to time, we hear from our local Federal Senator that we "are all Gallentean" and "in this together". I think he is only partially correct. It is true that the Gallentean civilization has a shared value system, emphasizing democracy and whatnot, and many languages that have originated from Luminaire use the same alphabet. However, I would much prefer to be called by my local identity. Given how the state across the border has a radically different culture, how could we share the same label? It would also be rather disingenuous of me to share solidarity with the plight of those in the warzone. How could I pretend to know what it is like to have your homes threatened by empyreans? It would be patronizing of me.

On my way to work, I see a group of off-world students, so-called "nationalists". They are embarrassing to look at, not even able to speak the local dialect fluently, never mind their bizarre fashion. I approach them, and ask which nation they are supporting. They say the Federation. I say the Federation passes laws that regulate the drones I make at work, and that I feel no particular loyalty to this body. They tell me about Kihar Elokur, who "got away" with the murder of some three men who I apparently share some vague genetic history with. I tell him that people get murdered all the time, and that the Sebiestor I know at work is a rather ingenious fellow who has been responsible for many breakthroughs in drone mechanics. They start heckling me with insults using words I don't understand, and I just roll my eyes and carry on to work.

After work, me and this Sebiestor fellow (I prefer his actual name; Trobevon) go out for a drink. We talk about future prospects for drone sales, the local sports results, and our thoughts on well-known planetary politicians. Some drunkard comes up to us and begins yelling at Trobevon. I come to his defence and attempt to shoo off the drunkard, who I discover to be a crew chief for a transport vessel currently docked at the local spaceport. When he proves too rowdy, we call the police and he is taken away. I will discover a week later that the starship he belongs to is no longer permitted to dock in our territory.

When I get home, I read a GalNet article about the Kihar Elokur case. Turns out it is a lightyear or two away in Synchelle, a place I've never heard of or even been to and likely never will. Not feeling any wiser for reading up on the story, I go to bed with my spouse and ask myself:

Why should I care?

The cluster would be a much better place if we focus on improving ourselves and our immediate surroundings, instead of involving our noses in other people's business.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-20 18:10:52 UTC
The Federation can best be compared to say, capsuleer alliances and coalitions. We're all independent groups working together towards a common goal.

Individualism is a defining aspect of our society. People should look inward before looking outward. Work towards bettering yourself before trying to better other things. However, if you only better yourself and never use your growth and strength to improve other people's lives, then what's the point?

Why should you care? Because if you didn't, because if nobody else did, we don't have a Federation.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#3 - 2013-10-20 20:24:18 UTC
Mr Inhonores,

this was very interesting for me, yet after reading your reflections I feel bewildered. Why do you make all this kinds of assumptions and remarks? Do you see a relation between your holiday plans and what you call nationalism? I really don’t understand your problems. But I am sure that you can solve them by abandoning the flawed practice of radical individualism. Everyone should serve society. And one serves society best by being in service to his superiors.

Regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#4 - 2013-10-20 21:13:38 UTC
If you dont care so much, why are you posting this?

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2013-10-20 21:15:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
I suppose this highlights our very different views. From Lonetrek to Forge, all Caldari are my business.

Every outpost. Every mining colony. Every world and every orbital.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#6 - 2013-10-20 21:18:40 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I suppose this highlights our very different views. From Lonetrek to Forge, all Caldari are my business.

Every outpost. Every mining colony. Every world and every orbital.


You describe the core of a collectivist society better than I could, and in fewer words.

Thank you.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#7 - 2013-10-20 21:20:15 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I suppose this highlights our very different views. From Lonetrek to Forge, all Caldari are my business.

Every outpost. Every mining colony. Every world and every orbital.


I hope I will not offend you by asking this, for I am only curious. Is it possible for a Caldari to choose not to be Caldari, and not be your enemy?
Etienne Saissore
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-20 22:04:37 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I suppose this highlights our very different views. From Lonetrek to Forge, all Caldari are my business.

Every outpost. Every mining colony. Every world and every orbital.


You describe the core of a collectivist society better than I could, and in fewer words.

Thank you.

So you don't think tribes have any role in the today's world then?
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#9 - 2013-10-20 22:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores
[Edited]

Actually, I think I'll pass on some in-depth elaboration. Anyway, the original post was me advocating a position separate from my own outlook. Unfortunately, that wasn't clear for some reason.
Nashuar Attor
Rat Kings Crew
#10 - 2013-10-20 22:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nashuar Attor
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:


That is why loyalty to the Federation first is simply not a thing. It's a governmental body that binds various planets together under a common framework of trade and security. The exchange of culture (such as holoreels and music) doesn't have anything to do with the Federation, bar perhaps Charter clauses on free trade which makes it easier.


Thats a remarkable insular attitude. To say that would be fine if where no such thing as space travel and interstellar relations. Your view is of the little person who is born in a small community, lives there their entire life then dies there.
Don't forget however there are millions of people who don't live on a small backwater. The people who live on the stations don't live by the same rules. there people who live on starships never settling down don't believe such things. To these people the federation IS the federation because that is what physically sets the rules and lays down the boundaries. It is the face of law and order to each and every person moving through a station or jumping through a gate. Small planetary views are all well and good if your life does not depend on what the Federation is actually doing, and for millions who live outside the comforting blanket of an inner atmosphere the Federation (or the Republic, or the Empire, or the State) is exactly where they place their loyalty and devotion.

You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#11 - 2013-10-20 23:06:31 UTC
Etienne Saissore wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I suppose this highlights our very different views. From Lonetrek to Forge, all Caldari are my business.

Every outpost. Every mining colony. Every world and every orbital.


You describe the core of a collectivist society better than I could, and in fewer words.

Thank you.

So you don't think tribes have any role in the today's world then?


I think we have just as much role as anyone.

Im not sure what your point is here?

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Etienne Saissore
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-10-20 23:38:36 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Etienne Saissore wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I suppose this highlights our very different views. From Lonetrek to Forge, all Caldari are my business.

Every outpost. Every mining colony. Every world and every orbital.


You describe the core of a collectivist society better than I could, and in fewer words.

Thank you.

So you don't think tribes have any role in the today's world then?


I think we have just as much role as anyone.

Im not sure what your point is here?

Mr Tuulinen's model leaves little room for tribes. I was just curious about your views, that's all.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-10-20 23:44:16 UTC
I'd say the Federation, if I was an advertizing Executive, represents a certain set of marketable memes that foster the destruction of cultural values not its own and which is propagated through the use of media, political authority and economic control.

I certainly don't care for the Federation, because I do not prescribe to its maxims.

However, as a capsuleer ensared in the transhuman condition I find myself in, one also comes to recognize that one does not care overmuch for baseline attitudes. There is a perspective to be gained in the realization that one does not have to be restricted by the memes and dreams of old.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#14 - 2013-10-20 23:50:48 UTC
Ah.

I didnt interpret it that way, of course - I interpreted it simply as the core of collectivist mindset.

My Tribe is my world. I care for each and every member of it. Their cares are my cares, their woes my woes. If we succeed, we succeed as a group. If we fail, we fail as a group. It is, therefore, in my best interest - and the best interest of everyone - to watch out for one another.

Of course, the difference in our society and theirs is ours has more "layers" with different rules of conduct in each, and different levels of loyalty. That doesnt mean we do not follow that core "their cares are our cares" mindset.

I hope I answered sufficiently?

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-10-21 05:11:37 UTC
Greetings,

The simplist of ideals seems so complicated to some; and why should I care?

"One raindrop raises the sea"

That may be one reason...

I am and always shall be, your friend...not for the many, but for the one...

There may be a collective out there...do I care?

There may be connections...do I care?

I am "ME" ... I need not care (!)

I Survive ...

Darian
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2013-10-21 06:02:14 UTC
Andrea Okazon wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I suppose this highlights our very different views. From Lonetrek to Forge, all Caldari are my business.

Every outpost. Every mining colony. Every world and every orbital.


I hope I will not offend you by asking this, for I am only curious. Is it possible for a Caldari to choose not to be Caldari, and not be your enemy?


Of course it is! If they cease to be Caldari then they cease to be my business, of course. But I still judge them on their individual merits. There are many who aren't Caldari that I've called 'friend' or even 'kirjuun' in some cases. I'm no Hethian xenophobe.

You see, here is the key to understanding the Caldari - they really do not mind how others choose to govern themselves. I do not care that the Matari wish to be governed under a loose collection of tribes. I really do not care that the Amarrians wish to be bound in an Empire under their Houses and their Lords. I do not care that the Ammatar self-identify as Amarrian, culturally, and I do not care that the Federation wish to eschew centralist government in favour of their super-complex Federation of states.

I do not even care how Nation choose to pursue their self-governance - save for when they try to expand their population by forcibly abducting State Citizens. I don't mind that the Sabik are pursuing their vertically stratified society.

I only mind when people from outside try to interefere with the State. People can choose to leave it, if they do not think they will thrive in our meritocracy. I am more than pleased to welcome people who choose to join it, if they are tired of the vested interests of their old worlds and yearn to make a place for themselves based solely on their talents and drive.

Those who choose to try to import their culture though. Those who tell me 'The way you choose to live is wrong. Your traditions and laws are wrong. I will replace those with my own and make you a part of me." those are my enemies.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-10-21 06:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Pieter, you always seem to remind me of what the Caldari and Matari have in common.

As to Seriphyn, if you do not like being pulled into discussion, do not stick your nose in the discussion lest you be bubbled and webbed into a position you did not want to hold.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Etienne Saissore
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-10-21 07:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Etienne Saissore
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Ah.

I didnt interpret it that way, of course - I interpreted it simply as the core of collectivist mindset.

My Tribe is my world. I care for each and every member of it. Their cares are my cares, their woes my woes. If we succeed, we succeed as a group. If we fail, we fail as a group. It is, therefore, in my best interest - and the best interest of everyone - to watch out for one another.

Of course, the difference in our society and theirs is ours has more "layers" with different rules of conduct in each, and different levels of loyalty. That doesnt mean we do not follow that core "their cares are our cares" mindset.

I hope I answered sufficiently?

Thanks for the most informative answer. My curiosity has been sated.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#19 - 2013-10-21 16:22:36 UTC
The question is not why you should care but why you should not care.

Across the known verse billions of planet side inhabitants are connected via social networks by mercantile endeavors. Only a click away one who chooses can set up correspondences with another you may never meet in real life, whether this be on your own planet or not of your world all together.

The effort in participating in galactic enterprises as apposed to local or planetary has become as simple as clicking the icon linking you to solar listings instead of local.

In light of the long arm of technology civilians thriving planet side have access to boundless investments that come with cluster commerce.

Whether or not you choose to "care" about the people peddling these otherworldly treasures is your prerogative. I assure you that while they may not be at the forefront of your thoughts the interstellar flight navs destination is the forefront of theirs.
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#20 - 2013-10-21 17:13:11 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I'd say the Federation, if I was an advertizing Executive, represents a certain set of marketable memes that foster the destruction of cultural values not its own and which is propagated through the use of media, political authority and economic control.


I think the logic you present here is incomplete, if not contradictory. To take a small example, federal contract law is neither unrecognizable to Caldari, nor is it "marketed". And it is directed at a rather utilitarian end that seems, we'll, relatively transparent (rather than obscure or conspiratorial). It also seems odd that such a nihilistic project would contain such great cultural, ethnic and political diversity if its purpose were the elimination of difference.

We are not so subtle.
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