EVE General Discussion

That sounds like a good idea ...

What would be the purpose of this?

OP clearly pointed out the flaw in this particular fix. By posting this kind of garbage, you only perpetuate the already pretty established idea that people in EVE-O have the IQ of an angsty Youtube poster and are after the same thing: Likes.

If you're going to bother posting, contribute in some meaningful way, don't misrepresent the OP's intentions to fruitlessly boost your own sense of self worth.


It's certainly an interesting idea. EVE becomes a whole new world once you become properly involved with player owned corporations. I don't support the idea of violently PUSHING new players into that direction (either by forcing them or making the game intolerable) but a little incentive here and there goes a long way. However, as it has already been pointed out, some highsec game dynamics would have to be given a slight makeover in other to make this a idea a feasible one.

Making hisec a more interesting place, with the kind of player generated content CCP boasts so much, so players could stay there if that was their choice, without being punished with the worst content in EVE.

They would be able to, well, even stay in NPC corporations and yet access EVE-grade content...

This is the reason I've been ignoring most of it, but considering how much this thread has grown since work yesterday and sleep last night took priority, I've got a fair bit to read through again. That being said, I've been doing some skimming, and I want to thank everyone that's contributed constructively to the discussion.

I've been trying for a while now to encourage new players to learn how to PVP, specifically, not just for the sake of :gudfites: but for the bad ones too, where they need to defend themselves. It's for the sake of preparing their mentality so they can expect to lose ships instead of rage quitting the game or hate-mailing their killer(s). And I'll tell you something else.

I recruit based on attitude. Lately, I've been spending half my time running missions for standing and something to do in high sec while I scout for new players, and the other half inviting everything I see to duel. I've had zero duels accepted by anyone from 2012 or older, but plenty from new players. It kinda says something about the attitude of the 'veterans' that I've encountered thus far, and it also says something about the new players - that the new players are already willing to try new things. It's the veterans that are encouraging them to "go mining". I know, I've seen it in NPC chat myself.

"What's there to do in this game?"

"Go mining, you'll make a tonne of isk."

But what, then, does one do with this tonne of isk? I remember, and I think it was Solstice Project who said this, but telling people to go mining should be a bannable offence, and I agree wholeheartedly. Because they start mining, and never stop. All they want to do is mine. Then they get ganked, and don't know anything about combat because they've never tried it.

I mine. From time to time, I mine. It's usually in a bait-barge, but I definitely mine. But I've also tried virtually everything there is in this game. I've been to nul, where I helped defend the sov space of the guys in Sound Mind in Providence. (No, they lost providence AFTER we left, not during). I've been to low, and tangled with X15. They beat me, but I went there anyway. I've done small gang, large gang and solo pvp. I've done ganking , and been ganked. I'm not saying that all that is for everyone. Hell, all that ain't even for me. The point is, I tried it, and as a chef, I know for one that you'll never know your favourite cuisine until you've tried them all.

On that note, I look forward to visiting Iceland next May, or if my finances aren't quite where I need them, the year after, and trying some genuine traditional Icelandic cuisine as well.

I don't mind miners. I do have a problem with players that tell other players to mine at the exclusion of all else in the game, because believe it or not, this is not a space mining game. As is pointed out be miners so often, this is a sandbox, where you can play how you like. This also applies to the gankers that are going to blow up the miners, and I've yet to see a miner who has competently defended themselves, except for one corporation, which was an industrial corporation formed out of necessity by a PVP group.

This mining corporation was recently baited by an FW player in a Badger. I was there for this one, it was fun. The Badger stole some of his ore, I tackled it and got him to half armour before he warped off - obviously, he was warp stabbed. KNOWING the game he was playing beforehand, I also warped off. The miners had not aggressed, so they were safe. He re-appeared in the belt in a Vagabond, which we were already well and truly prepared for. (Killmail posted for reference purposes, not for flaming).

Just think, miners, if all the situations you class as 'griefing' could have gone down more like this, if you'd learned before hand how to deal with it. You wouldn't be whining on the forums about bumping, or ganking, or baiting, because you would know how to handle it yourself.

For those of you that tell me to mind my own business, I would call less clutter and whining on the forums my business. It helps me find quality threads more efficiently. But, that's just the reason I would use to troll you. I've already explained why it's my business, and this post is long enough.

So once again, thanks for the constructive posting. I will continue to encourage new players as I encounter them to try new things, and to join a corp, any decent newb-friendly corp if not my own. If that's the best we can do for now with the mechanics at hand, then that's what I'll do.

Stirling Iron Society. I'm only a year and a half into the game myself, and still learning a lot, but I have a solid alliance of veterans behind me in RIGID alliance who are keen to help as well. That being said, I could use someone on-side in SIS who can help me recruit, I only have one guy at the moment, and I wouldn't try to train more than two at a time and to be honest, I'm going to be learning as much about training as my trainees are going to be learning about EVE; and hold the corp for me if I am needed for ops in RIGID, which I was going to use my alt for but it will limit my ability to spend time with new players.

There's no money in the corp, it's a skeleton corp for the express purpose of screening, holding and training new players and testing their potential and eventually, advancing them to RIGID, but keeping them out of harms way of our sometimes quite volatile wardecs. SIS is not in the alliance, so awoxing is not a problem, because it's part of the training - what happens when you get awoxed? How do you handle it? Will you be prepared to defend yourself, or at the very least, escape? Killboards, also, aren't a concern because we don't need a reputation.

So you're welcome to help. As are any other more advanced PVP'ers than myself who are interested. You wouldn't even have to join, just show up where my trainees are and pick a fight with them occasionally so if they lose, they can learn something, and if they win, then they win.

That being said, I'm not just training them to PVP, either. My current sole rookie is also interested in exploration, and I've been helping him learn about that as well. I'm sure he'll ask me about mining some day, and I intend to finance his first barge myself if he wants to try it.

Right now, learning PVP for the most part. I've done "fleet PvP" out in nullsec as logibro and hero tackle ... but seriously, when you're there with 45 others beside you, you can be terrible and still come out successful at times.

I don't have the time to really play out in null ... low might be fun, and I'm not going to discount hisec if I can fall in with a good crew. But as for "where to go and what to do" right now, I might as well be a 2 day old rookie in the noobcorp.


Edit -- after reading Remial's posts ... Can I come too?


Also, unfortunately, a lot of the 2012 and older players you'll find in hisec are the ones who have decided that eve is "mining in space" and won't necessarily want to fight you. I'll be up for a frig duel ... worst case, it's a learning experience for me.

I am starting a small corp right now and soon I am going to try to shanghai some pilots and forces them into low sec mining or something dangerous like that. I wonder how long it will take to get some pilots to join.

Something we agree upon. There are no in-game tutorials on how to defend yourself when doing anything, there is no real instruction on the fact that you are going to lose ships, apart from one lame beginner mission where you are given the sacrificial ship to go blow up an enemy station.

To be fair, there are hundreds of good online tutorials on how to mine defensively, how to equip a mining ship for tank etc, but I am guessing a lot of players don't read these, or think it won't happen to them, equip for yield and then are surprised when they do get blown up.

I don't understand why people do come and play a sandbox game where anything can happen, there are a lot of other players online and it is a game noted for viciousness, and then whinge and rage when they do get ganked. THAT is annoying.

Upon re-reading your posts, while I don't agree that anything should be changed to make people leave npc corps, or force people out of where they may be comfortable, there could be more done to make people aware of options, and give incentive to try new paths. That is different from punishing people for not doing so though.

Hell, I haven't really tried PVP, maybe I will give it a go to see what I am missing. What little I have tried has involved a group pouncing on my solo ship, so not really fun. And unfortunately what I have seen of PVP corps has been either recruiting that is so draconian or high sp, or corps so far away from where I choose to base that I have no interest in moving all my stuff there. The attitude of many PVP corps puts me off, from their in-game chatter to some of what I see in the forums. So a lot more needs to be done by the champions of having people move out of high-sec/comfort zones before people are gooing to respond.

But if I find a corp that looks good, I will give it a go, I'll take you up on that challenge to move out of my comfort zone, and see if it works.

This post brought a tear to my eye.