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Why do so many see EvE as "shoot at other people PvP" game?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#21 - 2013-10-20 17:42:40 UTC
Enduros wrote:
In quake you need to press way more buttons then in EvE. You also need to move your mouse more.



Therefore Quake requires more intelligence to play than being an Air Traffic Controller does


************OP on Crack Alert**********

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-10-20 17:42:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project's Alt
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
After reading "compared to quake" and "needs no skills" i can safely conclude
that the OP is suffering from Dunning Kruger Effect.


Good luck, fellow posters.


Because obviously everyone in EvE is playing at an FC level, have deep knowledge of the game and wisdom from experience and is not just doing what they are told and pressing F1.

Skill
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A skill is the learned ability to carry out a task with pre-determined results often within a given amount of time, energy, or both[citation needed]. In other words the abilities that one possesses. Skills can often be divided into domain-general and domain-specific skills. For example, in the domain of work, some general skills would include time management, teamwork and leadership, self motivation and others, whereas domain-specific skills would be useful only for a certain job. Skill usually requires certain environmental stimuli and situations to assess the level of skill being shown and used.

So by this definition what I said is true. In quake you need to press way more buttons then in EvE. You also need to move your mouse more. You also need to keep track of all the weapon spawn timers, quad timers, you need to hear where your opponent is and know his armor and hp levels, there's no overview to help with this. Also nowhere did I say I'm any good at anything.
You are just proving my point.

You have *no* idea about proper combat in EvE.

Ask the people.

I'll go grab a beer.
Outside.
I don't drink at home.
I take my mobile phone with me.

(I am Jacks sociopathic tendencies)

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Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2013-10-20 17:42:59 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Possibly one of the best, well thought out, and reasonable requests for a button in the esc menu that allows you to go back to WoW.


Why do you bring up wow when we are talking about PvP. I've never played wow, mostly because it doesn't have any spaceships in it.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#24 - 2013-10-20 17:47:11 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
If we're not out blowing **** up, then who buys all that crap that's getting made by industrialists?

Don't think too much about it


There's thinking in EVE?

I just press F1 when told.

Hm, I see you have not advanced to the elite drone assist doctrines


Ah yes, the all-powerful, AFK drone blob, powered by one man.

Would it just be a "solo fleet" then? Shocked

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#25 - 2013-10-20 17:50:42 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
If we're not out blowing **** up, then who buys all that crap that's getting made by industrialists?

Don't think too much about it


There's thinking in EVE?

I just press F1 when told.

Hm, I see you have not advanced to the elite drone assist doctrines


Ah yes, the all-powerful, AFK drone blob, powered by one man.

Would it just be a "solo fleet" then? Shocked

Boat and his multiboxed bot fleet for draeks

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2013-10-20 17:51:36 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Enduros wrote:
In quake you need to press way more buttons then in EvE. You also need to move your mouse more.



Therefore Quake requires more intelligence to play than being an Air Traffic Controller does


************OP on Crack Alert**********

Face it, when you are in a fleet where you could just as well be replaced with ISboxer and the fleet might manage better because of improved alpha it doesn't take skill, at least your part in it. The guy running the show is a different matter all together.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#27 - 2013-10-20 17:55:14 UTC
Enduros wrote:

Face it, when you are in a fleet where you could just as well be replaced with ISboxer and the fleet might manage better because of improved alpha it doesn't take skill, at least your part in it. The guy running the show is a different matter all together.



Can't say in all my EvE-Years I've ever served in an operation such as the one you describe


My brother was in Hydra's Great Null Sec Misadventure, and Ill tell you that it took skill too extract himself from that debacle with his Hurricane intact

But please tell me more about how moving your mouse a lot helps you learn how to infiltrate corps and destroy alliances

Or build Caps

Or explore W-Space

Or transport material up and down from Jita to Venal

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-10-20 17:58:59 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Why do so many see EvE as "shoot at other people PvP" game?


Because the "shoot other people PvP" is the most awesome part of the game.

First you start playing eve, you fly around, run some missions etc.
Then you do some exploration, wormholes and such and think "this is pretty cool I suppose"
Then you get attacked in lowsec, your heartrate jumps to about 200 beats per minute and your hands start shaking.

Then at some point you just kind of realise that you've been doing nothing but PvP for the past 5 years and EVE is totally a PvP game where you shoot at other people.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#29 - 2013-10-20 18:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
EvE = Everybody vs. Everybody

Sounds PvP-ish to me.

As a humble industrialist, I really don't get why some people are so upset about combat. I'll jump into a combat ship as the need arises, but I don't typically seek out conflict. I accept that EVE is a harsh and unforgiving universe, and any losses I incur are my own fault, not the fault of others. I try to learn from my mistakes as well as the mistakes of others, "as you'll never live long enough to make every mistake yourself." I adapt to the sandbox, rather than insisting that the sandbox adapts to me.

Others may find my style of gameplay boring, but I don't. I've been playing EVE for over 4 years now, and expect I'll be around for a long while to come.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-10-20 18:06:07 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Enduros wrote:
In quake you need to press way more buttons then in EvE. You also need to move your mouse more.



Therefore Quake requires more intelligence to play than being an Air Traffic Controller does


************OP on Crack Alert**********
This made me laugh even more than UaEs post! XD
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-10-20 18:10:00 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Why do so many see EvE as "shoot at other people PvP" game?


Because the "shoot other people PvP" is the most awesome part of the game.

First you start playing eve, you fly around, run some missions etc.
Then you do some exploration, wormholes and such and think "this is pretty cool I suppose"
Then you get attacked in lowsec, your heartrate jumps to about 200 beats per minute and your hands start shaking.

Then at some point you just kind of realise that you've been doing nothing but PvP for the past 5 years and EVE is totally a PvP game where you shoot at other people.
You are clearly lying.
When i started EvE, i was hauling stuff from, to and in between lowsec in my huge iteron.
The part about the heartrate is true, though.

First time i sat at the lowsec gate i had to leave the PC and go peeing...
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2013-10-20 18:13:44 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Enduros wrote:

Face it, when you are in a fleet where you could just as well be replaced with ISboxer and the fleet might manage better because of improved alpha it doesn't take skill, at least your part in it. The guy running the show is a different matter all together.



Can't say in all my EvE-Years I've ever served in an operation such as the one you describe


My brother was in Hydra's Great Null Sec Misadventure, and Ill tell you that it took skill too extract himself from that debacle with his Hurricane intact

But please tell me more about how moving your mouse a lot helps you learn how to infiltrate corps and destroy alliances

Or build Caps

Or explore W-Space

Or transport material up and down from Jita to Venal

I was referring to how combat is in eve and how it compares to other games. The games I listed are considered e-sports. Building caps and espionage don't fall under combat, at least not directly. Moving stuff in and out of null is not e-sports material. I'm not talking about the planning that goes into getting a fight in eve, I'm talking about being in one. If whatever you brought is not up to the task there isn't gonna be a fight, just a bunch of running around waiting for the eventual calamity to occur.
Julius Priscus
#33 - 2013-10-20 18:15:14 UTC
this how forced undocking works..

its great for the gankers till they are forced to undock when they don't wanna. then its not fair.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2013-10-20 18:17:12 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
this how forced undocking works..

its great for the gankers till they are forced to undock when they don't wanna. then its not fair.

Would just lead to how people use supers now. You stay logged off until the odds favor you.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#35 - 2013-10-20 18:19:01 UTC
Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-10-20 18:21:21 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
this how forced undocking works..

its great for the gankers till they are forced to undock when they don't wanna. then its not fair.

Try me...............
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-10-20 18:24:20 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power.


You mean command of force. You alone will have little force.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#38 - 2013-10-20 18:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Enduros wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Possibly one of the best, well thought out, and reasonable requests for a button in the esc menu that allows you to go back to WoW.


Why do you bring up wow when we are talking about PvP. I've never played wow, mostly because it doesn't have any spaceships in it.

You're wrong, it does. I've even been flying a two seater rocket. And the wrecked Titan on Caldari Prime is no match for the crash site in WoW. You can even ride into that thing!

Thinking about it, any news about WiS from Vegas? Lol

Remove standings and insurance.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2013-10-20 18:27:36 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power.

It says the empires are losing their grasp on power, but ... not really.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-10-20 18:29:19 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power.


You mean command of force. You alone will have little force.
Cannibal Kane would teach you otherwise.