Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its really encouraging to see more and more people join the anti-nullification train! Just keep getting more people to complain about it and maybe we will force CCP to not implement it.

I would rather see the raptor get another mid and loose a low, it needs 4 mids since it's a blaster boat with a shield tank, but I guess that is your purpose to keep it from being too good.

The issue your forgetting is that people stack like 15 bubbles so it takes a good 20-30 seconds to burn out of all of them which means ratters/gangs can safely align and can't be intercepted. That will be solved now.

So disallow anchoring bubbles within 40km of gates akin to how you can't anchor GSC's within X km of gates. Nullification doesn't "solve" bubble bunkers, if it had, nullified tech 3's would have solved them a long time ago.

Why not?

Still interceptor suffers least of all ships from this, since it is fastest.
Impel or bustard will take literally 10 minutes to get out of that though, while being completely helpless whole time.

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Maybe more people complaining about it will prevent implementation, or maybe more people complaining about will be seen as a sign that's going to promote conflict in the game. Sure, it will force some changes in strategy. But is that a bad thing?

Interceptors are fairly inexpensive, and the skill requirements are fairly low, making them accessible to lots of players. Much more accessible than, say, a travel-fit T3, the availability of which does not seem to have destroyed the game. Players who potentially want to travel to nullsec but have had difficulty dealing with bubble camps can hop in an interceptor and have a very good chance of reaching anywhere they want to go. I can imagine parts of NPC null being positively revitalized by this change. More mission runners for pirate factions. More miners. More traders to supply them with ships and equipment. More predators hunting them all. In short, more game play in areas that have been previously limited due to being surrounded by sov null.

The best changes are the ones that shake things up a bit, and I think this one will do that.

It's a difference wether a really fast warping/fast aligning interceptor is jumping into your carebearhub, or if a shitslow nullified T3 does so. With the interceptor going in - being bubbleimmune - means that you are no longer untouchable in your nullsec-system, which is totally acceptable.
The T3 though takes, even a lucky dscan provided, still around 40 seconds to enter system, align and warp, land on grid and point, the interceptor does so in 10.

On top of that, a nullified T3s scanres is down the gutter so hard in comparison, it's not even remotely the same task those two ships would take on.

Complaining about bubbleproof interceptors with the background of safe mining / afk-ratting is about the same as the complaining that happened when asteroid clusters were moved to anomalies. Just cause you own a system doesn't mean you got any right to demand it being gankproof, which it still mostly is, besides a 3k EHP point circling you for the first two minutes.

I for one am terribly happy with CCPs recent action of taking down more and more *ungankable spots*, as for example datas/relics still are (no one cares), gated complexes (to die in one to a ganker, you got to be one hell of an idiot) or even FW plexes, that don't count down anymore while you are cloaked,

The Interceptor is a specialized T2 ship with a pricetag twenty times of it's t1 counterpart, a bt of extraperformance to especially fulfill their job is really appreciated. But afterall, bubbleimmunity is more of a nice feature as compared to something gamebreakingly impacting as th mwd-sigbloom-reduction, and no one cries about that either.

I mean afterall, it now will be riskier to afk-solo-rat in the middle of nowhere without even any scouts watching the environment, and if you're bad, you now only got like 20 seconds to leave the site and POS up once someone peeks into local (10sec session change, shown in other system, 10 seconds being kind of the hard minimum to dscan, select/warp/land/lock/point)



Pls note that anchoring multiple bubbles on one gate is possible.

It doesn't matter if they place bubbles at the celestials. When you go to ratterville, you go to gank ratters. Which means you're going to anomalies. Sure, miners might throw bubbles up in mining anoms since they last a day or two, but ratters aren't throwing drags up in combat anomalies.

So your argument is misinformed. The real problem are bubble bunkers on gates, so nerfing those rather than empowering interceptors to screw over every small gang FC that roams null-sec in non-Combat Interceptor fleets would be the best solution.

But CCP won't do that, because it takes an act of god to get them to admit a planning mistake. I honestly believe they'd rather break the game for small gangs than to say "Yeah, that idea wasn't completely thought through."



Obviously. But if you cannot anchor a bubble within 40km, then you can make a giant ******* circle around a gate at no closer than 40km and you're not overlapping spawn radius at any point. Math.



Not the complaint. The complaint is that it irrevocably breaks the small gang meta in sov null by taking away the one tool balanced gangs of 5-10 have: 'dictor drag bubbles creating separation off 30+ man home defense gangs. Instead of getting four jumps of separation to be able to kill off interceptors, you're getting no more than one jump... which doesn't give you enough time to shake aggression to continue the run.