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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#201 - 2013-10-20 14:32:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Please stop turning this thread into the usual bullshit written by idiots.

Stick to the topic.


Thank you.


I apologise

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#202 - 2013-10-20 14:32:48 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

When my kid didn't want to get in the pool to learn how to swim, I threw her little ass in there.

Today, she loves the water and swimming, and she even takes more baths as a result.


I file that under child abuse.

She would have eventually learned to like it anyway. And if not, what is your obsession with children submerged in water ? Sounds weird tbh.


edit: Also, we are mostly adults here. Try throwing me in a pool or making me do something else I don't wanna do. Just try.

You took advantage of a child's powerlessness and just admitted it in public...in print.


She had one of those little floaty vests on, and you'd be surprised how buoyant a 2 year old is.

What I did, by the way, despite your poor bleeding heart insisting otherwise, was show her that she was being a nitwit. That's my job as a parent.

Because, of the two of us, my having been the one who had swam before, she's not in a position to tell me she won't like it. She doesn't know any better, and the person who did know better taught her otherwise.

Adults are slightly more stubborn, so sometimes you have to teach that lesson more than once. And sometimes they retreat to childishness, and refuse to poke their heads out of their shells. We call those people carebears.

Oh, and by the way. Idk what kind of limp wristed excuse for an adult thinks it's child abuse to teach a necessary survival skill to a child whether they like it or not. She can swim now. She might thank me later. It's not like you would let a teenager refuse to ever learn how to drive.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#203 - 2013-10-20 14:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Oh, and by the way. Idk what kind of limp wristed excuse for an adult thinks it's child abuse to teach a necessary survival skill to a child whether they like it or not. She can swim now. She might thank me later. It's not like you would let a teenager refuse to ever learn how to drive.



Confirming, camp people cant swim

Fact

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#204 - 2013-10-20 14:39:50 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

When my kid didn't want to get in the pool to learn how to swim, I threw her little ass in there.

Today, she loves the water and swimming, and she even takes more baths as a result.


I file that under child abuse.

She would have eventually learned to like it anyway. And if not, what is your obsession with children submerged in water ? Sounds weird tbh.


edit: Also, we are mostly adults here. Try throwing me in a pool or making me do something else I don't wanna do. Just try.

You took advantage of a child's powerlessness and just admitted it in public...in print.


She had one of those little floaty vests on, and you'd be surprised how buoyant a 2 year old is.

What I did, by the way, despite your poor bleeding heart insisting otherwise, was show her that she was being a nitwit. That's my job as a parent.

Because, of the two of us, my having been the one who had swam before, she's not in a position to tell me she won't like it. She doesn't know any better, and the person who did know better taught her otherwise.

Adults are slightly more stubborn, so sometimes you have to teach that lesson more than once. And sometimes they retreat to childishness, and refuse to poke their heads out of their shells. We call those people carebears.

Oh, and by the way. Idk what kind of limp wristed excuse for an adult thinks it's child abuse to teach a necessary survival skill to a child whether they like it or not. She can swim now. She might thank me later. It's not like you would let a teenager refuse to ever learn how to drive.


She would learn when she was ready.

My own father forced me onto an adult roller coaster when I was 5 years old and I definitely wanted nothing of the sort to do with it. I was mortally terrified the entire time and when we got home, my mother didn't know how to calm me down for days and days apparently. She was pretty furious.

After I grew up, I started riding the things on my own with friends and such and finally got over my fear....which had been reinforced even further by what my father forced me to do.

I'll ride any damned roller coaster now, but hardly a month goes by even to this day that the terror of that initially being forced to do something I did not want to do goes through my mind.

It was always a horrible resentment that tainted our relationship tbh, until the day he left us.


"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#205 - 2013-10-20 14:40:52 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Please stop turning this thread into the usual bullshit written by idiots.

Stick to the topic.


Thank you.


I apologise
I wasn't even addressing you ! XD

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Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#206 - 2013-10-20 14:42:12 UTC
I am seriously surprised how well this turned out now ...

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#207 - 2013-10-20 14:42:32 UTC
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Please stop turning this thread into the usual bullshit written by idiots.

Stick to the topic.


Thank you.


I apologise
I wasn't even addressing you ! XD



you must not have seen what I wrote before that then lol

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#208 - 2013-10-20 14:45:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


She would learn when she was ready.

My own father forced me onto an adult roller coaster when I was 5 years old and I definitely wanted nothing of the sort to do with it. I was mortally terrified the entire time and when we got home, my mother didn't know how to calm me down for days and days apparently. She was pretty furious.

After I grew up, I started riding the things on my own with friends and such and finally got over my fear....which had been reinforced even further by what my father forced me to do.

I'll ride any damned roller coaster now, but hardly a month goes by even to this day that the terror of that initially being forced to do something I did not want to do goes through my mind.

It was always a horrible resentment that tainted our relationship tbh, until the day he left us.




She was ready then, and I proved it to her. Got a little hug around my knees afterward to boot.

My wife was mad for a little bit, until she started getting praise and (that all important feeling for a housewife) jealousy from her friends about how their toddlers can't swim. Then it stopped being an issue. Took about two weeks.

I'll thank you not to project your own issues onto my family, however.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#209 - 2013-10-20 14:45:57 UTC
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:

Also does highsec have ressources people can and do fight for.
For example spots around moons for POSes. Belts. Exploration sites.

People can and do fight for these, by various means.



Just blew up a small POS last night for the modules ...Pirate

Took ages because I'm a moron and didn't have the right damage type -- was kind of a spur of the moment thing ... owners forgot to fuel so jumped it before someone else could.

With that said however, there is a pervading sense of "let someone else deal with it" in hisec. That paradigm really needs to be done away with.

[long-ish example from alliance and corp chat from about 7 months ago. Skip if you choose]

I'd have to dig up chatlogs, but a conversation I had with a rookie corpmate (who was at the verge of being indoctrinated into the "you're a miner, there's nothing you can do" way of thinking) that went a little something like this.

The scene -> Alliance chat.
The players -> Alliance Exec ( Carebear bastard), The Rookie, Vel (Me)

Vel - logs in in the middle of a chat
Rookie - that's OK though, I put a 20m bounty on his head. Maybe he'll think next time.
Exex -> Good move, that'll show these guys we're not to be messed with.
Rookie -> Yeah, I still can't believe CONCORD wasn't there to protect me.
Exec -> They take longer in lower sec systems.
Rookie -> Oh, so he died after he killed me then .... good ...

Vel looks through recent corp losses, finds The Rookie's loss happened to be in a nearby lowsec system

Me -> uh, bro, you were in lowsec. this loss is entirely your fault. Also, you wasted that 20m ISK.
Exec -> you're walking a fine line there V, don't go lying to our rookies.
Me -> dude, he lost the ship in 0.4 space. CONCORD was never going to show up. Have you not even briefed the newbies about this?
Exec -> Huh, he said he was in [system name] ...
Me -> Yeah, that's 0.4.
Exec -> (other "watch what you're saying" type comments)
Me -> whatever ...

Scene change -> Corp Chat, a little while later

Me -> Rookie, seriously, you could have spent that ISK better and gotten like 15-20 fitted frigates for that amount
Rookie -> yeah, but I'd lose them because I can't fight that guy.
Me -> maybe not, but that 20m you spent on a bounty (that will probably never get collected) IS.STILL.GONE. At least with frigates, you might get lucky and kill him ... or at the very worst you had some fun burning through the frigates beforehand.
Rookie -> oh ... I never thought of it that way... the Alliance Exec has pretty much been pushing us to not get into fights because we're miners and we can't really fight and ...
Me -> yeah, that's absolutely the worst way to play. What levels of skills do you have in [list of core skills]
Rookie -> Um, let me check ... gives Vel skill levels
Me -> Ok, hang on a minute here. Checks EFT to put a halfway decent fit together
Me -> I think I have something for you. It's not the greatest thing in the world, and should ideally be flown in a gang, but it's better than nothing. Regional market checks show that it's ~1.2 million isk per ship.
Rookie -> Ok... what is it ... ?
Me -> Um, those 17 ships that're in your hangar now..
Rookie -> o_O ... OK, yeah, now I totally get what you meant about just throwing away ISK... I have to go now, but thanks!!

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Darko Atlante
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#210 - 2013-10-20 14:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Darko Atlante
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm about to go to bed, so I won't be around for a few hours to see or respond to immediate replies to this thread, but I would like to see some discussion about encouraging players to leave NPC corps. I know this discussion has occurred before, but it seems to have fallen off the radar, and a conversation with some associates of mine has sparked a few ideas that I think we can hash out and debug.


We should focus on encouraging players to leave NPC corps, any idea that forces players to leave NPC corps, then you might as well close those NPC corps. I'm not convinced that there is a problem, are high sec wardeccers out of industrials and rookie ships to kill in trade hubs?

I've played this game alone, for one year on two accounts I played this game mostly doing industrial and spreadsheets in space, because I joined this game because of the market and player made modules and ships. Some people actually love that part of the game, I didn't stay in NPC corp, I made a 2 man corp and never got wardeced.

Everyone who play this game long enough will eventually do PvP, we have got to give people time and be patient not forcing them out into pvp corps with arrogant statements.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#211 - 2013-10-20 14:49:37 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Heart-warming tale



Moar of THIS


LES WYNAN

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Josef Djugashvilis
#212 - 2013-10-20 14:50:58 UTC
For me, the problem is that I would not want to join any other player corp willing to have me.

"We demand your full API, we demand that you fly this ship fitted this way, we demand that you train these skills, we demand that your take part in corp ops, we demand that you do whatever our egotistical CEO wishes, we demand..."

I am sure that there are corps in Eve which are not like the above, but they do tend to be rather low profile, and sensibly so.

Thanks, but no thanks.

This is not a signature.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#213 - 2013-10-20 14:53:00 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
For me, the problem is that I would not want to join any other player corp willing to have me.

"We demand your full API, we demand that you fly this ship fitted this way, we demand that you train these skills, we demand that your take part in corp ops, we demand that you do whatever our egotistical CEO wishes, we demand..."

I am sure that there are corps in Eve which are not like the above, but they do tend to be rather low profile, and sensibly so.

Thanks, but no thanks.




I and my alts have never been in one of those, though we have damaged and destroyed a few in our time


All The McCandless Clan ask is that you be a member of the Clan McCandless

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#214 - 2013-10-20 14:55:19 UTC
Regardless of the swimming pool and roller coaster nonsense........................

........the biggest appeal for me concerning EVE, especially having never played an MMORPG ever (except a few rounds of D & D around 1979), was not having anything mandated as a "must be done this way". One could literally do what one wants.

The moment something is enacted in this direction, EVE is all over with but for the Long Drawn-Out Death-Wail.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#215 - 2013-10-20 14:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project's Alt
Velicitia wrote:
Awesome Story


Great story, but leads to questions.

Why are you in such a crappy alliance ?

Why aren't you taking people who are actually willing to play
and create your own corp ?

Why aren't you removing that stupid idiot who calls himself Alliance Exec ?

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#216 - 2013-10-20 14:58:11 UTC
ITT we learn that people who are spineless limp-wristed cowards in a video game are also spineless limp-wristed cowards in real life, the exact opposite of the supposed "griefers are pussies irl" myth.

I'm less than shocked.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#217 - 2013-10-20 15:00:04 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
ITT we learn that people who are spineless limp-wristed cowards in a video game are also spineless limp-wristed cowards in real life, the exact opposite of the supposed "griefers are pussies irl" myth.

I'm less than shocked.
I bet people will come up with ...

"But they only PLAY spineless cowards !" ...

OF COURSE ...........................................

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#218 - 2013-10-20 15:04:32 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
limp-wristed cowards in a video game are also spineless limp-wristed cowards in real life


Again with the camp-hate


tut tut


Its like this is thread going down THAT path again

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#219 - 2013-10-20 15:06:38 UTC
tsk tsk forums alts in calling people cowardly shocker.

i'm just RP a sarcastic **** don't worry <3

forums.  serious business.
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#220 - 2013-10-20 15:06:56 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
limp-wristed cowards in a video game are also spineless limp-wristed cowards in real life


Again with the camp-hate


tut tut


Its like this is thread going down THAT path again
You're right.

I think we have lost course quite a while ago ...................

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